im not touching "which is harder on the car", but i will say this.

sure, in drifting there are no lap times, no slips, no ets.. but again, you improve on your last run by going faster and wider, by sticking to a good line and making a clean exit.

people can tell the difference between a good slide and a better slide. you cant write it down on paper or pass it out on a time slip, but you can tell. it is subjective, but so are car shows, surfing competitions, and freestyle motorcross. there may not be strict criteria, but people know when theyre watching a skilled competitor.

 

cas i lick anal

 

hmmmmm....

I was running high 12's in a full interior, daily driven, 17" heavy ass wheels Civic coupe about 4 years ago. My Crx was definetely faster, although I never took it to the track.

Fast? in who's book? My wife's Integra Type-R could out handle my 12 sec civic, and would smear it in an auto-x.

Charles

 

Congratulations.

 

we really need to focus on d-day 3 fuck all this!

 

Dave,

most vehicles do not need to be moving to sustain proper cooling to the engine. it is because of this we have thermostats, secondary electric fans, thermo-mechanical fan clutches, and other wonderful gadgets. if cars did not have fans with shrouds on their radiators, this would be a problem, however it's not the case.

if a car does not meet the requirements, i don't let it pass tech either.


also, on the brakes hard? 95% of the vehicles braking is done by pitching the car sideways, and slowing down due to the sliding coefficient of friction from the tires. We use the e - brake slightly to change the angle of the car, but this is NOTHING like road racing or auto X wher eyou are on the brakes 100% to get the car slow enough to apex the corner correctly. In drifting its the drift that slows you down.

Burning the piss out of your tires is absoultely correct, and we also damage and curb wheels quite often, not to mention wheel bearings, ball joints, and tie rods. I will agree with you that this is a major wear and tear part due to drifting.

The unibody being tossed around is a moot point. The cars that see more G forces will have the body stressed more. Usually the amount of grip a drift car sees before losing traction is around 1 - 1.1 g's. that's less than 30% more than a stock 240sx normally handles, nothing out of the ordinary. Now if the car had Hoosier RS303's on it, or some other road racing tire, to where it could pull 1.5 g's or something rediculous, as well as it was in a banked turn or something, then the chassis gets weak.

now, this is what drifting really does to the 240sx's (and i'm sure other vehicles, but i'm going to post what i know)

kills differential bushings s14
destroys rear subframe bushings s13 s14
destroys driveshaft carrier bearing (but so does drag racing)
bends tierods
destroys power steering lines
destroys power steering pumps
destroys upper strut mount bearing
destroys t/c rod bushing
destroys front swaybar mounting point
loosens up powerbrace onstantly
wears out steering rack quickly
makes 150k mile wheel bearings hate them selves
makkes 150k mile rear calipers hate themselves
bursts brake lines (for absoulte gay radom reasons)
SR turbo heat pisses off brake master cylinders


basically

every 150k mile old part on your car hates drifting.

 

well put.

 

+1, During one lap around the Primus course how many times did you guys break traction, then regain it? At least 12 if there are 12 turns?

That transition from spin to grip isn't hard on the driveline?

 

that depends on the grip ability of the tire at those temps. for example, when i spin second hard, it has a smooth transition from slip to grip. not harsh at all. maybe it is just the torsen diff.