why do you guys drift?
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Re: Re: Re: why do you guys drift?
Originally posted by Force Fed 23
Drifting will abuse a car far worse than drag racing. And if you wasted more tread while drag racing than drifting you're doing something wrong.
I also disagree with RiceRocket, all forms of motorsport are equal parts car and driver. If you don't believe it, take a high HP, FWD car and try to launch it effectively at the track. Alot more than 25% going on there. The same can be said for any form of motorsport, a good driver can make a bad car look better, but a bad car is still a bad car and a great driver is still a great driver.
Drifting will abuse a car far worse than drag racing. And if you wasted more tread while drag racing than drifting you're doing something wrong.
I also disagree with RiceRocket, all forms of motorsport are equal parts car and driver. If you don't believe it, take a high HP, FWD car and try to launch it effectively at the track. Alot more than 25% going on there. The same can be said for any form of motorsport, a good driver can make a bad car look better, but a bad car is still a bad car and a great driver is still a great driver.
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This thread is hilarious especially since people bashing oval track racing and drag raing think there is less skill involved.
On the oval racing front (NASCAR) there is a incredible amount of skill involved this is evident becasue when they qualify a 40+ car field the fastest car is only tenths quicker than the slowest car. That does not happen because some fat hillbillys don't know how to drive.
In drag racing I am guessing most of you are referencing either 13 second or slower cars when making the comparison to drifting and required skills. Sure you can go to the track and step on the gas and go, if you are not in a race format then consistancy (within one tenth of a second) is not a big deal. If your car goes 14.00 or 14.10 no biggie.
Now go to the track with a car than runs low 11's and faster. They are a real handful. Then if you are trying to be consistant it gets very hard and driver skill on many different levels come into effect. We will not even get into the realm of stupid fast drag cars that run low 9's or faster.
While I am sure there is some degree of difficulty in drifting you are kidding yourself if you think it is any more difficult than other forms of racing. And I know for me and many others it lacks respect becasue it is all based on judging. No lap times or e.t.'s to improve upon just basically who looks the coolest. What is there to aim for ? No lap records, personal bests (lap times), etc..
And the car can basically be some shitbox with the right tires on it and you are good to go. Sure a little extra power helps but again it lacks so many things other motorsports have.
This discussion should be in General Car Chat to give additional viewpoints since many of the drag racers / oval racers probably never come in this forum.
And yes I have tried drifting so don't bother asking. On a competitive level no because I have zero intrest.
Bottom line don't kid yourself and think drifting is the measuring stick for a driver because it isn't.
On the oval racing front (NASCAR) there is a incredible amount of skill involved this is evident becasue when they qualify a 40+ car field the fastest car is only tenths quicker than the slowest car. That does not happen because some fat hillbillys don't know how to drive.
In drag racing I am guessing most of you are referencing either 13 second or slower cars when making the comparison to drifting and required skills. Sure you can go to the track and step on the gas and go, if you are not in a race format then consistancy (within one tenth of a second) is not a big deal. If your car goes 14.00 or 14.10 no biggie.
Now go to the track with a car than runs low 11's and faster. They are a real handful. Then if you are trying to be consistant it gets very hard and driver skill on many different levels come into effect. We will not even get into the realm of stupid fast drag cars that run low 9's or faster.
While I am sure there is some degree of difficulty in drifting you are kidding yourself if you think it is any more difficult than other forms of racing. And I know for me and many others it lacks respect becasue it is all based on judging. No lap times or e.t.'s to improve upon just basically who looks the coolest. What is there to aim for ? No lap records, personal bests (lap times), etc..
And the car can basically be some shitbox with the right tires on it and you are good to go. Sure a little extra power helps but again it lacks so many things other motorsports have.
This discussion should be in General Car Chat to give additional viewpoints since many of the drag racers / oval racers probably never come in this forum.
And yes I have tried drifting so don't bother asking. On a competitive level no because I have zero intrest.
Bottom line don't kid yourself and think drifting is the measuring stick for a driver because it isn't.
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Scott....I still Disagree.
To drag race, all you need to know is how to rev an engine and drop a clutch. It's 9-15 secs of STRAIGHT LINE! That means what????
ON a course like Primus, there were 12+ turns. That requires 12 seperate split second decisions involving car speed, angle of entry, exit angle, maintaining the drift, and not spinning out.
Let's think about which one takes more skill....d'uh
And you say you've drifted? I have a friend that told me he could Auto-X. He based his assumption on the fact that his car was tight as hell (Almost no suspension travel) and that he takes hard corners through subdivisions. I finally got him to ride with me in an Auto-X....in comment? "holy shit".
Nuff said right there. Any Jackass can slide a car around a corner, or in a parking lot, but try to do this on an actual course....different ballgame there.
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To drag race, all you need to know is how to rev an engine and drop a clutch. It's 9-15 secs of STRAIGHT LINE! That means what????
ON a course like Primus, there were 12+ turns. That requires 12 seperate split second decisions involving car speed, angle of entry, exit angle, maintaining the drift, and not spinning out.
Let's think about which one takes more skill....d'uh
And you say you've drifted? I have a friend that told me he could Auto-X. He based his assumption on the fact that his car was tight as hell (Almost no suspension travel) and that he takes hard corners through subdivisions. I finally got him to ride with me in an Auto-X....in comment? "holy shit".
Nuff said right there. Any Jackass can slide a car around a corner, or in a parking lot, but try to do this on an actual course....different ballgame there.
Charles
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My $0.02
Drag Racing = fun for a few runs maybe then.. YAWN....the steering wheel and brake pedal are on the car for a reason
AutoX = I could run dawn to dusk and not get bored with it because there are many areas to improve in..... entry angle, entry speed, braking, etc. These are timed runs.
Drifting = I've only watched and really have little to no interest in participating due to the cost/wear and tear involved and like Scott pointed out, no hard numbers, it's "judged" or whatever they do.
I'm also going to go with.....
Drag Racing= 75% car / 25% driver
AutoX = 25% car / 75% driver
Drag Racing = fun for a few runs maybe then.. YAWN....the steering wheel and brake pedal are on the car for a reason
AutoX = I could run dawn to dusk and not get bored with it because there are many areas to improve in..... entry angle, entry speed, braking, etc. These are timed runs.
Drifting = I've only watched and really have little to no interest in participating due to the cost/wear and tear involved and like Scott pointed out, no hard numbers, it's "judged" or whatever they do.
I'm also going to go with.....
Drag Racing= 75% car / 25% driver
AutoX = 25% car / 75% driver
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That's the thing with American culture. The fact that numbers or hard evidence is needed, which is odd since Christianity is so popular here. 
That's way off topic. Anyhow, why do you need numbers to judge something? It's an art form almost. Yes, art is subjective but on some levels can be judged. In drifting you can judge many things including the speed of entry (like auto-x), angle of entry, the lines the driver takes (which is essential to judge in tandem especially if a driver passes another driver on the inside, etc), and then there's the "bling bling" factor... how much smoke is coming from the back tires, etc.
The fact that people are saying it cannot be judged means they haven't looked deep into it. I agree with Charles on some level. Like I said, I think every motorsport takes an adequate level of skill. The thing that is hard to grasp in drifting is the concept. A lot of people are skeptical and confused. You never really know UNTIL you do it. The way it feels to lose traction yet be in ultimate control while the car sets. It's a beautiful thing, really.
That's way off topic. Anyhow, why do you need numbers to judge something? It's an art form almost. Yes, art is subjective but on some levels can be judged. In drifting you can judge many things including the speed of entry (like auto-x), angle of entry, the lines the driver takes (which is essential to judge in tandem especially if a driver passes another driver on the inside, etc), and then there's the "bling bling" factor... how much smoke is coming from the back tires, etc. The fact that people are saying it cannot be judged means they haven't looked deep into it. I agree with Charles on some level. Like I said, I think every motorsport takes an adequate level of skill. The thing that is hard to grasp in drifting is the concept. A lot of people are skeptical and confused. You never really know UNTIL you do it. The way it feels to lose traction yet be in ultimate control while the car sets. It's a beautiful thing, really.
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Originally posted by Leslie
I saw it, but I'm not willing to abuse my car like that.
I saw it, but I'm not willing to abuse my car like that.
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Originally posted by ReginaVagina
The fact that numbers or hard evidence is needed
The fact that numbers or hard evidence is needed
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Originally posted by ReginaVagina
Abuse??? That's no more abuse than drag racing or auto-x
Abuse??? That's no more abuse than drag racing or auto-x
I'd say the suspension(cheap stuff) gets about the same or maybe a little more of a workout autox'ing compared to drifting.
However, the driveline(expensive stuff) on your car gets abused WAY more during drifting compared to autoX or drag.
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Originally posted by Scott
Now go to the track with a car than runs low 11's and faster. They are a real handful.
Now go to the track with a car than runs low 11's and faster. They are a real handful.
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