I'm just a lil' stayin on the porch dog. You big dogs can get it on, but z28psi, I would clarify your boast of "from a roll". If he's taking you to a road course, and is offering to step down to touring, it sounds to me like you are being invited to a very nice dinner party....by a shark. An accomplished r/c driver should beat beat a novice every single time, regardless of car. In fact, A really good road course driver should win in a rental car, vs. drag car.
Good luck to both. Should be interesting no matter.

 

Juiced man, love your sig!

CRX/NSX Yes, I have heard of some mean AWD Talons out there making big numbers (but also unfortunately not being made here anymore). That can't be with the stock block 4-banger though, right...? They weigh stock 2900-3000 lbs in AWD trim, right...?

Also, I know they exist-but have never seen any (just like 800 hp Supras). I'm sure if I don't shut my mouth, I'll have them following me all over town!!

That AWD is one I would definitely want from "a roll" and on up to the deep 150's!

 

Nope...cool videos though. However, I prefer road a course. Typically I can run 20-30 minutes of a combination of straight-aways & curves, instead of 11.5 seconds straight down a track, then get back in line.

 

Funny you should say that. The last time we were at the track, a young (quicker reflexes) guy (with quite a bit of racing experience) in a Probe ate up an older guy in his C5. It was pretty ugly.

IMHO the road course provides a venue that utilizes all aspects of the car. For example, the first time at Road Atlanta, on stock brakes I had to start braking at 120 to go in to a 90 curve; now with the racing brakes I can do it 50 feet later & at 140. We have beefed up the suspension & are using much better tires, so we currently can out-handle Z06es in the twisties. Coming out of the corners in to the straights, the 520 RWTQ of the C5R-427 launches like a rocket.

One of the Panoz Racing drivers wanted to see how well the car ran, so he went out in front of me in two lead follow laps. He was driving an Audi Quattro, which in the straights was not any competition, but handles well in the twisties. Afterward he came over & said, "Awesome run, I couldn't shake you. That 427 sounds like a car on steroids."

But as I say, there is always someone faster. Just have fun & drive safely. Those going home in one piece are the WINNERS.

 

i wish i could tell ya dsm's will take you to 200, but the truth is we cant, we have a pretty close ratio geared tranny, mathematically, we can hit 157, but the FWD's can hit 207 i believe with a galant transmission, with adequate power of course. There are actually a few dsm's in the 11's and more in the 12's. and i believe its the stock motor, i know eric(Mr 2) has a fwd eclipse running 11's, he is very good at launching, and its on the stock bottom end and head. and the weight is about that, maybe higher, like 3100 i believe w/out driver. we all have the same motor though, 4g63, but some do internal work and such. i think for the money, they are great cars.

 

I'm curious, what kind of power are you making-and what is a "DSM...?"

I also think a lot of those highly tuned turbos do very well at the track with benefit of extensive cooldowns.

200+hp per litre is obviously possible-but not easy to attain even under the best conditions-and I feel it is seriously doubtful on pump gas.

I've seen Grand Nationals turn helatious times at the strip (with bags of ice sitting on their manifolds & intake tracts!!) and become pigs in 70+ degree weather under street conditions.

The LS1's suffer a bit from heat soak-but only in the 10-20 hp range-where some street vs strip blown motors can lose a second or more...

Also, I can only wonder about the car's driveability. And the AWD concept is nice, but that car comes within 100-150lbs of most 'vettes...

 

I really don't plan on any major performance mods, but the LPE supercharger looks good!

 

You know, after coming here I almost bought a "rice & fart tube" mag since all of this is on my mind now.

Over the years I've developed a "Morpheus...is that oxygen you are breathing..." attitude towards cars (too many ringers), vendors, people's claims, track/dyno claims, and magazine numbers, etc...

I've seen cars with frosted frozen intakes run 12's that you couldn't beat into the mid thirteens at sea level on the street when the sun was up...

There are very few cars that "...don't make sense..." I'll have to look into this car...any links you can provide would be great.

 

im nothing special, probably 200-220whp, but ive only put $100 into the car. and a DSM is Diamond Star Motors, any mitsubishi eclipse, eagle talon, or plymouth laser built from 90-99, it was a joint operation between mitsu and chrysler. nope, they run pump gas, atleast i am pretty sure jerry did when he ran a 11.3 i think. and there isnt any icebaggin that i have seen. and on the street, for every inch you peel your tires, we pull a foot away is how i see it. usually, a dsm can be put into the low 12's with good driving, for 4000 - 6000 depending on parts and such. now granted i know alot of the muscle guys are like, well for only 1000 i can be at 400whp, but usually, the car, if newer, is in the 20k+ price range, as where as i paid 1200 for my car, dropped 6k in it, and spent atleast 3 times less as you, look good, and pull your times.. also the biggest advantage i see the streetable V8's having such great track times, is their ability to hold a large shot of nitrous. if i knew i could squirt a 200 shot all day and not worry about breaking a thing, i would sure as hell do it to.