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Old Mar 12, 2005 | 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Slash
I properly tuned megasquirt (aka not ass tuned by somebody with an autometer A/F) will guaranteed be better than an SAFC.

Why?

The megasquirt has 3x the tuning ranges for RPM as the sAFC.
It supports any size injectors.
It dosent have to fight with the stock ecu to output the proper fuel quanity (this is a big advantage because you can tune it right to a borderline 12.3 or so without any worry of an occasional spike of detonation between when the stock ECU switches to a different part of the map and the sAFC only has 1 setting for both RPM's).

and the BIGGEST one.

Megasquirt II controls timing.......


I'm sorry, I dont like paying such money for bandaids like the sAFC. I've never seen it to be a serious tuning tool. Ever since enthalpy went from an sAFC on his 240 3-4 years ago to his own homemade rom tune (only 12x12 maps! Not even megasquirt!) He went from 336whp to 396whp.... Massive increase.
I have honestly always been attracted to megasquirt bc of the cost and availability. But every time that ive been down at xat and watched them dyno tune a car with megasquirt, i was largely unimpressed by the hp numbers. I didnt see enough hp gain to justify the hassel of having to retune ems every so often. I will wait to see the results of MSII and go from there. I DO like the fact that I can ditch my afm with megasquirt. I DONT like teh fact that it uses motorcraft ford shit for teh ignition system
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Old Mar 12, 2005 | 05:47 AM
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Hey bish wat are you doing here? The are my forums. Why don't you go to jaxvilleracing.com j/k Good to see you post on here.
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Old Mar 12, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by galcrazi
I have honestly always been attracted to megasquirt bc of the cost and availability. But every time that ive been down at xat and watched them dyno tune a car with megasquirt, i was largely unimpressed by the hp numbers. I didnt see enough hp gain to justify the hassel of having to retune ems every so often.

A: Thats becasue XAT has only ok tuners in my opinion, not that megasquirt has bad hardware. Get someone like Enthalpy who can actually tune like a god and you'll get fantastic numbers.

B: You never have to retune megasquirt. Once its set and tuned PROPERLY, its an electronic EMS like any other one, you can leave it alone for any temperature, altitude, or humidity condition. Never have to chagne it again unless you mod the vehicle or change something major.
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Old Mar 12, 2005 | 10:08 AM
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nice... didnt know it was self adjusting... no one here in jax runs it so theres very little info on it... i know its huge down there tho
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Old Mar 12, 2005 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ElSuperSpic
Hey bish wat are you doing here? The are my forums. Why don't you go to jaxvilleracing.com j/k Good to see you post on here.
hahaha.... i own joooo!
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Slash
A: Thats becasue XAT has only ok tuners in my opinion, not that megasquirt has bad hardware. Get someone like Enthalpy who can actually tune like a god and you'll get fantastic numbers.
Yeah your right XAT may not be the best in the Bay area at tuning, but you have to start somewhere, and thats why XAT has shop cars and our own personal cars to experiment on and gain experience. Soon I'll have my allmighty 7mgte back together in the quest for 400 hp and high 11s. Megasquirt is a real powerful system for the $$ I do think it's the best thing since sliced bread...

In my opinion with time and patience one could make an after market EMS have the same driveability and reliablity as a factory ECU. Here in Florida, emissions is not an issue, so most tuners have only max power, driveability, reliability and fuel economy to worry about. Megasquirt has no problems with satisfying these goals.

As for the ford ignition system, that is only needed if you absolutely have to remove the dizzy. No one as of yet (hopefully in the near future a programmer will) has written code to work with the toyota ignitors. I'm not a big fan of using the ford ignition module either, but just like the MS, the parts are very cheap and easy to retrofit.

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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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Well, you have to start somewhere... Somewhere called hire out a dyno and have enthalpy come tune your ems.... He's proven hundreds of time over that hes the PREMIUM in the tampa area.

I agree that XAT is moving on to bigger and better things, but I'm not going to take my car into their "learning curve".

The Ignition for Megasquirt is crucial so that you have control of all parameters, given how cheap the cost is, I would definately do the ford EDIS setup or anything I could to get programmable ignition. That is the key between being "average joe" and "20rwhp above average joe"

In my opinion with time and patience one could make an after market EMS have the same driveability and reliablity as a factory ECU.
Already been done. Its called any EMS that Enthalpy has tuned. If you've never ridden in a car tuned by him, or seen his own personal car idle like stock on 282 cams and 95lb injectors... Then you havent seen a well tuned car You can do this with any ems system, not just AEM. Just requires time and effort on the guy behind the wideband. Not only tuning for WOT, but also remaking all the part-throttle maps, cold start values, tuning the knock, and ignition values. You can make any car idle like stock and be streetable (within certain reason, like no T88H's giving 5psi at 3K rpm at 20% throttle).
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