Strength of MK3 supra parts...
This post was also placed on Supramania.com... basically i dont feel like re-writing it so here it is again...
OK i own a Z31... ive done a lot and was shooting for over 450rwhp on 93... almost made it but the car was vandalized.. car had SDS.. T78. 550cc injectors.. and all the supporting mods for this power... NOW.. my plan was to move all my Z stuff over to a MK3 since ive been hearing good dynocharts from cars with programmable engine management and proper headgasket usage.
The BIG questions are..... First of all, the MK3 weighs more than the Z by a good bit.. how much do the backseats weigh? i dont have rear seats now, why with a MK3....
NEXT.. How strong are your transmissions and differentials.. Nissan's are great under steady load up to 600+ rwhp, but the problem comes with any hard jolts the tranny hits, such as hard powershifts or hard launches on anything but street tires... What would i have to do to a MK3 tranny to make it stronger? How strong is it? is there an OS Giken gearset? does the MKIV tranny bolt on? Does another toyota vehicle have one that is stronger that can be adapted to fit, and what is the cost of rebuilding a supra tranny if there is no other option...
Differentials strong also? and are they LSD or do i have to get an LSD from Kazz or something...
I know its a long post but please try to answer as technically as possible, i catch on quick.
Sorry for the crappy spelling and wording of the post, Its 2 AM and I just got off a 12 hour shift.
The BIG questions are..... First of all, the MK3 weighs more than the Z by a good bit.. how much do the backseats weigh? i dont have rear seats now, why with a MK3....
NEXT.. How strong are your transmissions and differentials.. Nissan's are great under steady load up to 600+ rwhp, but the problem comes with any hard jolts the tranny hits, such as hard powershifts or hard launches on anything but street tires... What would i have to do to a MK3 tranny to make it stronger? How strong is it? is there an OS Giken gearset? does the MKIV tranny bolt on? Does another toyota vehicle have one that is stronger that can be adapted to fit, and what is the cost of rebuilding a supra tranny if there is no other option...
Differentials strong also? and are they LSD or do i have to get an LSD from Kazz or something...
I know its a long post but please try to answer as technically as possible, i catch on quick.
Sorry for the crappy spelling and wording of the post, Its 2 AM and I just got off a 12 hour shift.
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OK i own a Z31... ive done a lot and was shooting for over 450rwhp on 93... almost made it but the car was vandalized.. car had SDS.. T78. 550cc injectors.. and all the supporting mods for this power... NOW.. my plan was to move all my Z stuff over to a MK3 since ive been hearing good dynocharts from cars with programmable engine management and proper headgasket usage.
The BIG questions are..... First of all, the MK3 weighs more than the Z by a good bit.. how much do the backseats weigh? i dont have rear seats now, why with a MK3....
the drivers and passenger seats are where you will find a lot of that bulk. they weigh in at around 100lbs togather. some light weigh race seats are a must if you want to save weight
next there is a super heathy layer of tar mat on the bottom of the car take a weekend and get all that up, make sure you paint the metal after is off so it doent rust out on you. lay the carpet back down and you will never miss the tar.
the hood is heavy, theres a carbon fiber one someone makes, its like 10lbs vs 50 or somthing.
the wire harness, haha you want to go dfi toss that wire harness in the trash. or give it to me. i could use one.
im sure after all thats done youll find a few more weighted areas, and i'll think of some more..
my car weighed in at 3380 with gas in it and me in it as well on certified scales.
NEXT.. How strong are your transmissions and differentials.. Nissan's are great under steady load up to 600+ rwhp, but the problem comes with any hard jolts the tranny hits, such as hard powershifts or hard launches on anything but street tires... What would i have to do to a MK3 tranny to make it stronger? How strong is it? is there an OS Giken gearset? does the MKIV tranny bolt on? Does another toyota vehicle have one that is stronger that can be adapted to fit, and what is the cost of rebuilding a supra tranny if there is no other option...
the second supra was a stock manual. i have never looked into upgrades in the trans and ive never seen an os giken or other brand gear set for it, this doent mean it doent exist. they do make a clutch for it tho.
the MKiv trans does not bolt on. sorry, that would have been nice if it did. its pointless to rebuild them. you can get them for about $150-$200
i took care of my cars and thats why the trans never broke. others have not had my luck, ive seen supras go though many transmissions.
i do not think the supra trans is as strong as your Z's trans. if you do find out about a easy trans swap let me know ide be intrested in the info, also you could do what the corolla guys do. the take a celica trans thats much beefer and weld the stock bell housing to the celica trans. you could do somthing like that with the mkiv getreg. some trans tunnel mods would be needed as well, but it sounds like you wouldent mind that for a trans thats known good to 1000hp.
Differentials strong also? and are they LSD or do i have to get an LSD from Kazz or something...
oh ya back to weight savings, loose the ABS it sucks.
Again like the tansmissions a lot of people have broken them. but ive never broken one eather. i guess it just really comes down to how you take care of it.
I suggest redline in the trans and diff.
on a side note. if you are into drag racing get the Non turbo Automatic Diff, its a 4.11 the highest ratio offered. and it came in LSD.
I know its a long post but please try to answer as technically as possible, i catch on quick.
Sorry for the crappy spelling and wording of the post, Its 2 AM and I just got off a 12 hour shift.
oh ya welcome to toyota world sorry to hear yer Z got messed up that thing looked like a beast.
well i am still deciding... the choices are finishing the Z.... going MK3 and moving shit over from the Z (sds, fuel stuffs, guages so on) .... or going S13 with an SR in it..... the goal is to employ modern engine management, with modern turbines (read GT series ballistic turbos) to come up with a great flexible powerband..
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and you saying Z31 is the fav car for you of all time is just the same as me.. I cant find another car that LOOKS like it does, rides like it does, feels as powerful as it does...... I know i wont ever be as fast as enthalpy, or turn as sharp as jesse in his mr2. but i dunno, the Z has some kinda aura with it, it feels powerful
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Somthing i didnt think about on the mk3 idea.
get a mk3 with a blown HG. $300-$1000
order a 1jz from one of the importers. $1500
get the getreg 6speed it will bolt on to the engine, but need work to get it into the car, $1500
at this point you will have a very powerful and reliable with the SDS and turbo your talking about.
youll have about $2000 worth of parts to sell too when its all done.
get a mk3 with a blown HG. $300-$1000
order a 1jz from one of the importers. $1500
get the getreg 6speed it will bolt on to the engine, but need work to get it into the car, $1500
at this point you will have a very powerful and reliable with the SDS and turbo your talking about.
youll have about $2000 worth of parts to sell too when its all done.
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I wouldnt bother going 1JZ, for simple reasons like
They put down 230RWHP stock on the dyno, already proven @ 12psi
7MGTE puts down 250+ @ 12psi
yes the 1JZ internals are stronger, such as forged pistons stock, but why waste the money on the 1JZ, plus wiring, etc... when you can make alot more power and build the bottom end for alot cheaper on the 7M and have more money to play with for a turbo upgrade, exhaust upgrade, intake, lexus AFM, 550's plus much more, instead of going with a 1JZ.. and being back to stock just being one of the few slow ones with the 1JZ
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If you have godly amounts of money to spend to make a fast car with the 1JZ, go for it.... hell go for the 2JZ swap if that. I personally would never bother with a 1JZ, ever. If you need any more info just let me know man.
Kirk
They put down 230RWHP stock on the dyno, already proven @ 12psi
7MGTE puts down 250+ @ 12psi
yes the 1JZ internals are stronger, such as forged pistons stock, but why waste the money on the 1JZ, plus wiring, etc... when you can make alot more power and build the bottom end for alot cheaper on the 7M and have more money to play with for a turbo upgrade, exhaust upgrade, intake, lexus AFM, 550's plus much more, instead of going with a 1JZ.. and being back to stock just being one of the few slow ones with the 1JZ
.If you have godly amounts of money to spend to make a fast car with the 1JZ, go for it.... hell go for the 2JZ swap if that. I personally would never bother with a 1JZ, ever. If you need any more info just let me know man.
Kirk
Kirk, you missed the part where he said he had the turbo and fuel system, so the Lex/550 does not apply to him, the power to boost ratio you provided does not apply to him as well sence he has a T78. with that kinda flow rate. the 1jz should be in the 375-400hp area at 12psi cant really compare a stock 1jz to a modded 7m, albit lightly, and call it the word of got for a guy who already has a SDS, a bad ass turbo, and all the other nessasary parts to make it all work, to put into what ever car he decids to get.
this supra at step 1 if he gets it will be 10 steps ahead of the supra setup you are describing.
this supra at step 1 if he gets it will be 10 steps ahead of the supra setup you are describing.



