it does have advantages, fewer carbon emissions. What are the downfalls?

 

fewer carbon emissions...

Untill you add up the giant diesel powered machines that prep, plant, spray, harvest, and process all that corn.

Then it dosn't sound so great.

Not to mention the massive decrease in fuel mileage, the huge wear on fuel systems not designed to run this shit.

Think about this when you factor in my "carbon footprint" (god that term is so fucking gay.)

If 10% ethanol produces say to be fair.. 5% less emissions than straight gasoline, but I get 20% worse mileage, wouldn't I be producing 15% more emissions due to the amount of this worthless piss I have to burn?

Yeah, we need to reduce our use of oil. Got it.

Start importing the small diesel cars from europe that get 80MPG

and lets not worry about the completely void of life baron wasteland around the nickel mines that gets the nickel for hybrid cars batteries.

Lets not worry about disposing of all those batteries after their shelf life is used up.

Get these fucking soccer moms off their cell phones and let them drop off their 1 90 pound whore of a daughter in an Aveo or Civic instead of a fucking diesel excursion that gets 4MPG cause the dumb bitch cant drive and wants to "feel safe"

Open your eyes to the fact that there is a hell of a lot more impact when building a car then driving it, breaking all of the information down, for material production, shipping, etc. the Prius is worse on the environment than an H2. The Recorder


The answer doesn't lie in land killing nickel batteries or in using more fuel to make a new shittier fuel. It lies in making current technology better. The super fuel efficient small diesel euros are a great example, the park your 9000 pound monster SUV and buy a small car that does the same job is another good idea. nuclear power is another that would reduce emissions HUGELY.

And before anyone starts on my vette, #1, its not my daily driver, it gets driven about 3k a year, my daily driver is a 2.2 4cyl. And 2, the vette gets 19 city (when I try at it, 17 is more average) 28 highway.

 

repped for a bad ass post!

 

repped for an amazing post, even though they are all going to jump in here and tell you, you are wrong because.... well... you just are...

 

E10 doesn't reduce your fuel mileage at all, show me one test where one car was run on straight gasoline, its mileage recorded over time, then run again with E10 with reduced fuel mileage. E10 is nowhere near concentrated enough to wear any fuel system. E85 will eat fuel systems AFTER a significant time period, but not E10.


None of those cars get 80mpg, its more like 60, on a good day. And none of those meet emissions standards for America, and won't meet them until Honda puts into production its new DTEC system, Mercedes starts importing its BlueTec diesels, or Subaru decides to produce its diesel boxer. None of those get anywhere near 80mpg anyway.


Excursions aren't diesel.....just saying.


Old news.



Nuclear power? Really? So you think Nickel Hydride batteries damage the environment but nuclear waste is just fine? Interesting. I really hope your not referring to nuclear powered cars. I don't know your background, but I'm an aerospace engineering student(at the top rated aerospace engineering school in the country for 9 years straight), my focus is propulsion and my minor is high performance vehicles, I am a member of the Society of Automotive Engineers, and a member of my schools Formula Hybrid racing team (First in the nation since the competition began 2 years ago). I've met with the heads of GM and Mercedes-Benz, both formally and informally, and trust me when I say, the future of transportation is oil. End of story. The most promising alternative at this time is small diesel hybrids, but that's still fossil fuel. Not that it matters much anyway, cars consume over 60% of the crude oil in the country, but only account for 15% of carbon emissions. Why is that? because we've gotten to the point where a major breakthrough in lowering emissions means they're lowered .001%! We can not push the technology any further, and no other technology is efficient enough to replace it in the foreseeable future. So get off your soapbox about how terrible Ethanol is, because you frankly have no idea what you're talking about, and you won't change anything anyway.

 

You called it lol


I have experienced it in my own vehicles, as well as several others documenting it. Some have recorded a drop as high as 20% especially in the corvette community, most are reporting 10% even the feds say it will reduce mileage by 2-4%.


and 60 is bad? Since your a Honda fan, the accord diesel gets 52.3MPG, whats the hybrid get? While killing the environment?


yes they are Search results for Ford Excursion


But no argument. If everyone knows, then why are they still in production?


Of course I'm not suggesting a nuclear powered car lol. Nuclear waste (AKA Spent Fuel Rods) are indeed safe, from they way they are transported to the way they are stored is safe to the planet. I don't have information as to how long fuel rods last in a nuclear power plant, but they last 30 years on an aircraft carrier.

And in your last spout there you contradicted yourself pretty well, if the future is oil, then why this push for ethanol?

And yes, cars are not the leading producers of carbon, hence why I brought up nuclear power plants.

 

Again, How do we know of the gas stations that are E free?

 

I'm guessing you don't drive an rx7.... on average, it is 30 miles less to the tank, and this is only if you drive nice. So thats a 10% drop... if you race on it a lot that tank, it will get just shy of 60 less that tank, so thats 20% drop.... and just FYI, on straight gas, when you race on it, you only get about 25 miles less than you would if you were nice to it... and yes, that 60 miles is above and beyond that 25...
just sayin...

 

they have to have a little sticker that says 10% or less ethanol...I thought... some have said that they were doing it before the stickers... so I guess we're just gonna have to ask someone with that knows what is going on at their gas station....

 

^ ahhhhh, thankyou grasshopper.