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Old May 28, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sneakin Deacon
well for anyone who doesnt respect us...just remember, we carry baseball bats, chains, crushed spark plugs, and bottles of gear oil...and we have no problem getting in front of you

congradulations, you act like we dont, i got a whole tool bag of shit in my car. Not to mention extra spark plugs, motor oil,coolant, brake fluid, jumper cables ect. I pretty much have the ability to take my whole car apart and put it back to gether again with the shit i actully keep in the car.
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Old May 28, 2006 | 11:01 AM
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Bikes tend to overheat more then cars, are you disagreeing with this? Your telling me that at very slow stop and go traffic in 90+ degree weather your bike isn't running hot? Hell I have ridden my friends gsx600 and sat at a stop sign for 30-40 seconds and literally watch the bike rise nearly 5 degrees, then lower as soon as I started riding again.
I am. A bike had a easyer time keeping kool then a car does. Bikes are wide open to the air, where as a car engine isnt. Its under a metal hood which traps heat from the engine in. Which is one reason cars require fans to help keep them kool. Cars require alot more to stay kool then a motor cycle does.
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Old May 28, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CrypticApathy
I am. A bike had a easyer time keeping kool then a car does. Bikes are wide open to the air, where as a car engine isnt. Its under a metal hood which traps heat from the engine in. Which is one reason cars require fans to help keep them kool. Cars require alot more to stay kool then a motor cycle does.
tell that to my v-twin
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Old May 28, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsbikegurly
You found this info in an article written for a California newspaper. Interesting enough you only copy and pasted what would appear to support your argument. You didn't bother to mention the study was done in 1981. Twenty Five years ago when less bikes were on the road. BTW Overheating and going up 5 degrees is two totally different things. Florida LAW says....
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Abstract: (1) All motorcycles are entitled to full use of a lane and no motor vehicle shall be driven in such manner as to deprive any motorcycle of the full use of a lane. This subsection shall not apply to motorcycles operated two abreast in a single lane. (3) No person shall operate a motorcycle between lanes of traffic or between adjacent lines or rows of vehicles.

Oh and D.O.T. states
LANE SHARING

Cars and motorcycles need a full lane to operate safely. Lane sharing is usually prohibited.

Riding between rows of stopped or moving cars in the same lane can leave you vulnerable to the unexpected. A hand could come out of a window; a door could open; a car could turn suddenly. Discourage lane sharing by others. Keep a center-portion position whenever drivers might be tempted to squeeze by you. Drivers are most tempted to do this:
  • In heavy, bumper-to-bumper traffic.
  • When they want to pass you.
  • When you are preparing to turn at an intersection.
  • When you are getting in an exit lane or leaving a highway.

BTW when you get a bike and ride a bike other then every now and then and AFTER you get your endorsement and take the course required to get your Motorcycle licence, come talk to me. Ahhh and heres you sign........
Yes, so because the study was done when LESS bikes on the road, it will be less true now? Your kidding right?

More cars on the road along with more bikes on the road.. Seems to me it would only make it more effective?

And what EXACTLY did I cut OUT of that article that didn't support my opinion? I just cut out alot of needless chatter about how car drivers thought it was unsafe yet the study proved otherwise.

Saying a study in done in 1981 could not hold true today is BS.. Thats like saying if they did a study in 1981 that properly inflated tires helped gas mileage (Absolutely true) was done today it would have opposite results.

Do you know how many accidents are caused by rear end collissions in stop and go traffic in this state?


So basically, what I showed you was concrete evidence that lane splitting in dead stopped traffic was marginally safer (Remember, the test group back then was smaller) then sitting in the REAR of traffic waiting to get smashed.

What you showed me was a law concerning the current law... With no supporting evidence of it being more safe. If you say its less safe to lane split in traffic, why are/were some states allowing it?

You say "Riding in between lanes can be unexpected"... Well so can being smashed from the rear from someone not paying attention in traffic. Whats your point? It goes both ways "girly".

I want you to do something... Find how many accidents have been caused "by a hand reaching out" or "a door opening" versus how many accidents have been caused by someone get smashed in the rear, or when traffic starts to move again and a car trys to change lanes forgetting there was a bike beside them (Happened to me one of the first times I rode)... I find it funny you think the safest place for a bike would be IN THE MIDDLE of a bunch of cars, rather then way in front of them. Kinda moronic IMHO.

It says "Lane sharing is USUALLY prohibited" for a reason. So you got your assignment, go find some figures on how many guys get killed by moving SLOWLY to the front of STOPPED traffic (Whether it be between the cars or along the side) or by guys getting smashed from someone in the back.

I posted a study that proved my point, you posted a the current law status? Hahaha you think that disproves me? Gimmie a fuckin' break.

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Old May 28, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Brandon
tell that to my v-twin
only if you tell it to my 2 rotor. I was refering to piston motors. if you really wanna get down to motors getting hot. Rotary > all, Rotary's get so hot you cant use alot of the stuff for exhausts and things you can for a piston engine due to them melting them. Glass breaker's first thing that comes to mind.

Still wanna argue?

Under hood temps in normally aspirated rotaries run upwards of 400°, above 600° in the turbos.

To quote C4 on page 2
now your already sweating you balls off on top of that you bike is at 225 degrees (kinda high and most bikes when they hit 230 shut off to protect itself.)


Im running almost 3 times hotter then you are.

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Old May 28, 2006 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CrypticApathy
I am. A bike had a easyer time keeping kool then a car does. Bikes are wide open to the air, where as a car engine isnt. Its under a metal hood which traps heat from the engine in. Which is one reason cars require fans to help keep them kool. Cars require alot more to stay kool then a motor cycle does.
Then you don't know what your talking about.. Go buy a bike, start it, and let it sit for 10-15 minutes and see how hot its running.. DEPENDING ON THE BIKE, some would run alot hotter then normal.
Old May 28, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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Decoy: see my post above yours.

btw ive owned bikes. i just prefer cars over a bike. Having a a car that can go 0-60 in 4 seconds is something special, having a bike that can do it isnt. I know how ot the things get, ive gotten burned by the motors before when i was in shorts.
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Old May 28, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CrypticApathy
only if you tell it to my 2 rotor. I was refering to piston motors. if you really wanna get down to motors getting hot. Rotary > all, Rotary's get so hot you cant use alot of the stuff for exhausts and things you can for a piston engine due to them melting them. Glass breaker's first thing that comes to mind.

Still wanna argue?
Sure considering I had a 86.

But your lame ass comparison doesn't sit. Your comparing a car thats DESIGNED to run that hot (Thus the specialized components) versus a bike that can't hit a certain degree otherwise damage is done.

If your car is overheating, its your sick cars fault. Its not the same with alot of bikes out there, they are designed to cool off moving and heat up in traffic. They were designed this way, yours wasn't... So whats your point?
Under hood temps in normally aspirated rotaries run upwards of 400°, above 600° in the turbos.

To quote C4 on page 2


Im running almost 3 times hotter then you are.

..... Whats your point? Your in a car with the engine behind a firewall and not really effecting you in the least... Hes SITTING on the engine, your seating in a seat.
Old May 28, 2006 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CrypticApathy
Decoy: see my post above yours.

btw ive owned bikes. i just prefer cars over a bike. Having a a car that can go 0-60 in 4 seconds is something special, having a bike that can do it isnt. I know how ot the things get, ive gotten burned by the motors before when i was in shorts.
So if you have been burned by a bike wearing shorts, god, I feel sorry for how bad you were burned in your 3-times-hotter car!!!

Oh wait, thats right, your protected against stuff like that. Bike's arent.



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