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Originally Posted by shiny suit man
... Name one V-8 pushrod engine that you can rev higher than 9k...
Originally Posted by shiny suit man
DOHC doesn't have pusrods. Cams sit on top of the head.
Name one pushrod engine modified or not that can rev higher than 9k one thats all I need.
Name one pushrod engine modified or not that can rev higher than 9k one thats all I need.
have you looked at the physical dimensions of a 4.6L cobra motor dohc , and a 5.7L LS1 ? the pushrods allow the cylinder heads to be MUCH, MUCH smaller. a phsyiscally smaller engine that can sit very low and very far back and be easier to work on.
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Originally Posted by Duceanahalf
Nascar motors and high end drag motors can spin well over 9k some even past 10K
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Ok then why dont you tell that to this NASCAR engine tuner
http://www.racing.ups.com/racing/new..._20030729.html
http://www.racing.ups.com/racing/new..._20030729.html
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Originally Posted by shiny suit man
Thats a NO! None off them go beyond 9k, check your stats. Since after 9k the rods bend. they might last temporary over rev but not for a full race.
Wrong. Read this:
Charlotte, N.C. — Years ago when racing men would talk of engine horsepower they’d become giddy at the notion of getting one horsepower from each cubic inch of displacement in the engine. That thinking, if it applied, meant that a 358 cubic-inch engine made 358 horsepower. But there are new frontiers.
With a little tinkering over the years that one pony per cubic inch has escalated to something more than 2.2 horsepower per cubic inch — a power level which the engine builders of NASCAR can now produce and sustain all day. Now, with the advent of relatively small motors making big, reliable horsepower, the engine builders are looking to explore new regions; and hopefully exploit. The new playground appears to be raising the rpm band from its current 9,000 - 9,200 range to something closer to 10,000 rpm.
The prospect of high revving engines dawned June 2002 when the Ford engine in Ryan Newman’s car turned close to 9,700 rpm on Pocono’s long front straight. That display caught the eye of Winston Cup series director John Darby and got him to thinking about the future.
“Rpm in the engines is a technology that goes up every year,” said Darby of the ever-escalating rpm ranges. “Shoot, I remember the days when you got to 6,000 rpm you were doing something. Now 9,000 is fairly achievable and I guess you could look at it as a race to 10,000 at this point.” And according to engine builders throughout the garage, the race to 10,000 is well underway.
With a little tinkering over the years that one pony per cubic inch has escalated to something more than 2.2 horsepower per cubic inch — a power level which the engine builders of NASCAR can now produce and sustain all day. Now, with the advent of relatively small motors making big, reliable horsepower, the engine builders are looking to explore new regions; and hopefully exploit. The new playground appears to be raising the rpm band from its current 9,000 - 9,200 range to something closer to 10,000 rpm.
The prospect of high revving engines dawned June 2002 when the Ford engine in Ryan Newman’s car turned close to 9,700 rpm on Pocono’s long front straight. That display caught the eye of Winston Cup series director John Darby and got him to thinking about the future.
“Rpm in the engines is a technology that goes up every year,” said Darby of the ever-escalating rpm ranges. “Shoot, I remember the days when you got to 6,000 rpm you were doing something. Now 9,000 is fairly achievable and I guess you could look at it as a race to 10,000 at this point.” And according to engine builders throughout the garage, the race to 10,000 is well underway.
http://www.fordracing.com/news/?arti...1&flashcheck=1
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blah blah blah blah blah.
The only comment I'me even going to bother point out is MArs_302's "Euro trash"
This is the sort of comment I was trying to step on before it started earlier when I mentioned we are all pretty much europeans unless we've got Indian heritage...
Seriously WTF is this 'euro trash' comment all about? You sound like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, who are both xenophobic senial old men who are so insecure about something better that they have to put it down...
What's your family heritage, English? German? Italian? Russian?
Any country in Europe has plenty to be proud of and it's a goddamn shame that Americans are too proud to recognize that they've been beat. There was a time when domestic stuff here was comparable to the stuff back on the other side of the pond. It's long since past and I'm eagerly awaiting the return. Until then, going elsewhere for my wants id the best way to encourage the powers here in the US to wake up and build something decent.
Going back to the topic of this thread, I was honestly excited about the new mustang before specs were released. It looked good, was reportedly built on the Lincoln LS platform, and was supposed to use a new family of Ford V8's. So I was expecting a mustang with double wishbones at all 4 corners, a new generation of the Lincoln/Jaguar DOHC V8, maybe something like a 4.2, which could connect back to Ford's 255ci V8's of yester-year. And finally we would have a Pony car to be proud of.
But as someone who wants to be an American enthusiast, I was let down yet again. Ford actually spent money to undesign the greatness of the LS chassis. They ruined it with a solid axle rear (for fucks sake what year IS IT!?!?!), and then decided that the superior Jaguar/LS V8's were too good for a Mustang and went back to the old Modular. But wait, the modular didn't fit with the double wishbones, so they scrapped that and went to struts...
You'd think somewhere in this lunacy some engineer would have stopped and said, 'wait, WTF are we doing, lets just save money and do it the right wany anyway' But no, no such level-headedness could ever prevail at Ford...
I thought things had changed in the new millenium, I was wrong, and thats why:
Ford = fail
-Sean
The only comment I'me even going to bother point out is MArs_302's "Euro trash"
This is the sort of comment I was trying to step on before it started earlier when I mentioned we are all pretty much europeans unless we've got Indian heritage...
Seriously WTF is this 'euro trash' comment all about? You sound like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, who are both xenophobic senial old men who are so insecure about something better that they have to put it down...
What's your family heritage, English? German? Italian? Russian?
Any country in Europe has plenty to be proud of and it's a goddamn shame that Americans are too proud to recognize that they've been beat. There was a time when domestic stuff here was comparable to the stuff back on the other side of the pond. It's long since past and I'm eagerly awaiting the return. Until then, going elsewhere for my wants id the best way to encourage the powers here in the US to wake up and build something decent.
Going back to the topic of this thread, I was honestly excited about the new mustang before specs were released. It looked good, was reportedly built on the Lincoln LS platform, and was supposed to use a new family of Ford V8's. So I was expecting a mustang with double wishbones at all 4 corners, a new generation of the Lincoln/Jaguar DOHC V8, maybe something like a 4.2, which could connect back to Ford's 255ci V8's of yester-year. And finally we would have a Pony car to be proud of.
But as someone who wants to be an American enthusiast, I was let down yet again. Ford actually spent money to undesign the greatness of the LS chassis. They ruined it with a solid axle rear (for fucks sake what year IS IT!?!?!), and then decided that the superior Jaguar/LS V8's were too good for a Mustang and went back to the old Modular. But wait, the modular didn't fit with the double wishbones, so they scrapped that and went to struts...
You'd think somewhere in this lunacy some engineer would have stopped and said, 'wait, WTF are we doing, lets just save money and do it the right wany anyway' But no, no such level-headedness could ever prevail at Ford...
I thought things had changed in the new millenium, I was wrong, and thats why:
Ford = fail
-Sean
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Originally Posted by FreeThinker
blah blah blah blah blah.
The only comment I'me even going to bother point out is MArs_302's "Euro trash"
This is the sort of comment I was trying to step on before it started earlier when I mentioned we are all pretty much europeans unless we've got Indian heritage...
Seriously WTF is this 'euro trash' comment all about? You sound like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, who are both xenophobic senial old men who are so insecure about something better that they have to put it down...
What's your family heritage, English? German? Italian? Russian?
Any country in Europe has plenty to be proud of and it's a goddamn shame that Americans are too proud to recognize that they've been beat. There was a time when domestic stuff here was comparable to the stuff back on the other side of the pond. It's long since past and I'm eagerly awaiting the return. Until then, going elsewhere for my wants id the best way to encourage the powers here in the US to wake up and build something decent.
Going back to the topic of this thread, I was honestly excited about the new mustang before specs were released. It looked good, was reportedly built on the Lincoln LS platform, and was supposed to use a new family of Ford V8's. So I was expecting a mustang with double wishbones at all 4 corners, a new generation of the Lincoln/Jaguar DOHC V8, maybe something like a 4.2, which could connect back to Ford's 255ci V8's of yester-year. And finally we would have a Pony car to be proud of.
But as someone who wants to be an American enthusiast, I was let down yet again. Ford actually spent money to undesign the greatness of the LS chassis. They ruined it with a solid axle rear (for fucks sake what year IS IT!?!?!), and then decided that the superior Jaguar/LS V8's were too good for a Mustang and went back to the old Modular. But wait, the modular didn't fit with the double wishbones, so they scrapped that and went to struts...
You'd think somewhere in this lunacy some engineer would have stopped and said, 'wait, WTF are we doing, lets just save money and do it the right wany anyway' But no, no such level-headedness could ever prevail at Ford...
I thought things had changed in the new millenium, I was wrong, and thats why:
Ford = fail
-Sean
The only comment I'me even going to bother point out is MArs_302's "Euro trash"
This is the sort of comment I was trying to step on before it started earlier when I mentioned we are all pretty much europeans unless we've got Indian heritage...
Seriously WTF is this 'euro trash' comment all about? You sound like Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, who are both xenophobic senial old men who are so insecure about something better that they have to put it down...
What's your family heritage, English? German? Italian? Russian?
Any country in Europe has plenty to be proud of and it's a goddamn shame that Americans are too proud to recognize that they've been beat. There was a time when domestic stuff here was comparable to the stuff back on the other side of the pond. It's long since past and I'm eagerly awaiting the return. Until then, going elsewhere for my wants id the best way to encourage the powers here in the US to wake up and build something decent.
Going back to the topic of this thread, I was honestly excited about the new mustang before specs were released. It looked good, was reportedly built on the Lincoln LS platform, and was supposed to use a new family of Ford V8's. So I was expecting a mustang with double wishbones at all 4 corners, a new generation of the Lincoln/Jaguar DOHC V8, maybe something like a 4.2, which could connect back to Ford's 255ci V8's of yester-year. And finally we would have a Pony car to be proud of.
But as someone who wants to be an American enthusiast, I was let down yet again. Ford actually spent money to undesign the greatness of the LS chassis. They ruined it with a solid axle rear (for fucks sake what year IS IT!?!?!), and then decided that the superior Jaguar/LS V8's were too good for a Mustang and went back to the old Modular. But wait, the modular didn't fit with the double wishbones, so they scrapped that and went to struts...
You'd think somewhere in this lunacy some engineer would have stopped and said, 'wait, WTF are we doing, lets just save money and do it the right wany anyway' But no, no such level-headedness could ever prevail at Ford...
I thought things had changed in the new millenium, I was wrong, and thats why:
Ford = fail
-Sean
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and btw, if Ford was going to use it totally based off the LS with a Jag/Lincoln V8 of any sort. The price tag would well into the Vette Category.
The Mustang has built and will always been built for a person that ones a fun, fast, peppy car. Not a world class performer. So please, stop trying to compare it to cars that cost 20-40k more.
The Mustang has built and will always been built for a person that ones a fun, fast, peppy car. Not a world class performer. So please, stop trying to compare it to cars that cost 20-40k more.
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Originally Posted by FreeThinker
You'd think somewhere in this lunacy some engineer would have stopped and said, 'wait, WTF are we doing, lets just save money and do it the right wany anyway' But no, no such level-headedness could ever prevail at Ford...
I thought things had changed in the new millenium, I was wrong, and thats why:
Ford = fail
-Sean
I thought things had changed in the new millenium, I was wrong, and thats why:
Ford = fail
-Sean
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