Come to think of it, I have not seen any professional NHRA car EVER run indipendant. With the extra complexity of CV's and their lack of strength/width needed, the setup would not work. Drag cars use solid rear axles to eliminate the weaknesses of indipendant rear setup under high torque. The strongest CV axle made is never going to be as strong as a solid piece of hardened chrome moly steel. That's fact.

I couldn't see one of those rail cars with 4000+hp with an independant rear. It would turn it into a pretzel at idle.

You still haven't recognized the ae86's solid rear axle and it's ability to drift still. It may not be "ideal" in your world, but fuck...the cars do quite well regardless.

 

Why are we talking about drag racing in the drifting forum ?

 

the main reason for no IRS in drag is cause of wheel hop. and the DeDion rear end is about the best rear end desighn around. although not for drag racing. i love solid axle, i never argued anything agaist it. its great for drifting. i drifted a 96-98 cobra with the 4 cam 4.6 and solid axle and it felt like a big ae86 to me! lots of fun, and the sound of a v8 at 7k rpm was awsome.

and as far as american and japanese build quality is the same per year your full of shit, and i'm not talking about the damn interior, i'm talking about metalurgy, desighn and execution. both of which was very lacking in american cars, and still is in some cases. i.e cadillac,saturn,chrysler,jeep,etc.

 

ahh i think i get it now, its not the car makers fault for building crappy products, its the stupid ass americans that buy them and want more. i guess i'm just different at heart. i love engineering and cars that are desighned well built for drivers. i like cars that make you smile and want to push it harder. not nesseccarily powerful, but fun to drive, cars that make you feel your actually apart of the driving exsperience.. i.e ae86,miata,240,mini's,old britsh cars,svo mustangs,etc. don't take any of this personal, its just my opinion, and everyone knows opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

 

and it also pulls 1.00 G's on the skidpad. The mustang pulls an .85g

I'm not going to complain about a car that pulls a G on the skidpad stock and can be further improved with factory options (Z51 pkg)

 

Us drift guys huh? I like drifting cause it's fun thats all. Most American V8 owners enjoy a donut or powerslide as much as anyone else but I think a lot of them cant bring themselves to come out and have a good time just cause 'the damn imports' got to it first.

Not to sound cocky, but unless you've studied suspension for quite a while, you're going to have a hard time trying to educate me on it. Take the time to read my post and look up some of the things I want over. I'm more than happy to listen to good points though. I think this is why I got away from domestics, too many of the owners are so closed minded that they cant ever learn something new. I thoroughly explained why independent and DeDion layouts work better for drag racing, SOLID STRAIGHT LAUNCHES and we all know that an evenly matched drag race is won or lost in the first 60ft.


Fact? NO, uninformed biased opinion.
I can show you heavy duty multi thousand HP trucks and heavy equipment that use full independent suspensions, thing is they come from Europe. And as much as Americans like to hate on Europeans, unless your ancestors lived in Teepees, chances are you're European anyway.


-Sean

 

You should send this revalation to the Top Fuel teams that spend millions of dollars just to get a gain that is measured in ten thousandanths of a second. because i doubt a heavy equipment CV axle that weighs thousands of pounds will not hurt them at all, even i have never seen a Top fuel car break an axle because the tires cannot contain the 6000-9000HP that they are producing, through a Ford 9 inch rear end that was designed in the 60's

 

Show me one that can handle the power and be as compact as what is needed for a narrowed application while still retaining functionality. Being of European descent is irrelivant in this case as well, just like your attempts at a debate.

Yes, I know of heavy equipment vehicles that have independant suspension. No, that is not practical in a professional drag car. All of those guys use solid axles for a reason: they are simple, they have a minimum amount of breakable joints/parts and they are compact. If the object were to have the most complex and heavy rearend while having the huge slicks stick out of the bodywork like some 2nd gen camaro from Alabama, then the IRS would work out well. Until then, they will continue to use a proven formula in the wonderful world of professional drag racing.

And before you go on whining about more European dump trucks or whatever, do me and everyone else a favor and look up some pictures of Pro Stock, Pro Mod and Funny Cars, look at the rear track width and tire width. Your arguement will be null and void.

 

Here, I did some work for you. http://www.clarkracingchassis.com/new.htm

Keep in mind that the tire/wheel combo also covers all of those axle tubes right up to the beginning of the pumpkin. Where in god's everliving green earth are you going to put IRS? If you and your advanced knowledge of chassis engineering can figure out how to change physics and somehow make it work, you've earned my respect. Again, the tire contact patch is what is important here and as such, you're just not going to fit an IRS design in there. Period. I HOPE that is clear enough for you.