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Originally Posted by Mars_302
and btw, if Ford was going to use it totally based off the LS with a Jag/Lincoln V8 of any sort. The price tag would well into the Vette Category.
The Mustang has built and will always been built for a person that ones a fun, fast, peppy car. Not a world class performer. So please, stop trying to compare it to cars that cost 20-40k more.
The Mustang has built and will always been built for a person that ones a fun, fast, peppy car. Not a world class performer. So please, stop trying to compare it to cars that cost 20-40k more.
Ford could have used pretty much identical parts to the LS and saved a LOT of money, this isn't 1940, none of this stuff is complicated anymore, it doesnt raise the price much, especially in the volume that the Mustang is produced. If they had to save a little here and there then they could have used the same designs, but made the subframes in steel instead of alum.
It costs a lot of money to design all new stuff, especially in the tooling to manufacture and assemble it.
I could just imagine driving around in a new mustang and following a Ford Explorer with its nice aluminum independent rear suspension staring me in the face laughing at me.
Again Ford = fail
No one has posted a reason for Ford = pass yet
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Yea god forbid that Ford uses a proven motor that regulary lasts 250,000 miles of abuse.
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Originally Posted by FreeThinker
The GTO competes directly with the GT Mustang and it's nowhere near 20k more, yet offers some of the things I am mentioning.
Ford could have used pretty much identical parts to the LS and saved a LOT of money, this isn't 1940, none of this stuff is complicated anymore, it doesnt raise the price much, especially in the volume that the Mustang is produced. If they had to save a little here and there then they could have used the same designs, but made the subframes in steel instead of alum.
It costs a lot of money to design all new stuff, especially in the tooling to manufacture and assemble it.
I could just imagine driving around in a new mustang and following a Ford Explorer with its nice aluminum independent rear suspension staring me in the face laughing at me.
Again Ford = fail
No one has posted a reason for Ford = pass yet
-Sean
Ford could have used pretty much identical parts to the LS and saved a LOT of money, this isn't 1940, none of this stuff is complicated anymore, it doesnt raise the price much, especially in the volume that the Mustang is produced. If they had to save a little here and there then they could have used the same designs, but made the subframes in steel instead of alum.
It costs a lot of money to design all new stuff, especially in the tooling to manufacture and assemble it.
I could just imagine driving around in a new mustang and following a Ford Explorer with its nice aluminum independent rear suspension staring me in the face laughing at me.
Again Ford = fail
No one has posted a reason for Ford = pass yet
-Sean
And tell me why would Ford use the total LS setup with a Jag/LS motor, then sell the car for 20k less than what a fully loaded LS sells for???
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Ok i guess my info was little old never the less over head cam set up is always better than pushrod thats the point I'm trying to say. And the report says 10k is not yet possible. never the less the cobra engine or the new lincoln LS 3.9 V-8 are good engines but they are not pushrod engines. push rod engine suck compared to over head cams. Lincoln LS engine was NOT DESIGNED BY FORD it was already on the drawing tables at Jaguar when ford bought the company. Jaguar just never had the money to build it. The LS engine is by far the best engineered engine in the ford lineup as of right now.
Euro cars are more here you are right, but if you jump the lake its vice versa. meaning that mustang in europe is more money than BMW, Audi etc. THe new M5 has a v-10 that redlines at 8800rpm stock yes thats right stock and lasts who knows forever, But it doesn't have pushrods.....
On the solid rear and IRS side, even Ford admits that IRS is better by using IRS in their Cobra (flagship) mustangs. Which is all aluminum diff one of the lightest and nicest diffs I've ever seen. propably weights less than half of the original cast diffs.
Euro cars are more here you are right, but if you jump the lake its vice versa. meaning that mustang in europe is more money than BMW, Audi etc. THe new M5 has a v-10 that redlines at 8800rpm stock yes thats right stock and lasts who knows forever, But it doesn't have pushrods.....
On the solid rear and IRS side, even Ford admits that IRS is better by using IRS in their Cobra (flagship) mustangs. Which is all aluminum diff one of the lightest and nicest diffs I've ever seen. propably weights less than half of the original cast diffs.
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pushrod vs OHC is more a personal taste I honestly think.
And as much as id like to have a a Mustang with a SLA/coilover front end, with a good irs rear end and 50/50 weight distibution, its never going to happen and keep it in the price range of mid 20s for a GT and high 20s low 30s for a Cobra.
And as much as id like to have a a Mustang with a SLA/coilover front end, with a good irs rear end and 50/50 weight distibution, its never going to happen and keep it in the price range of mid 20s for a GT and high 20s low 30s for a Cobra.
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Originally Posted by Road Rage
why is that? cause you say so?
cause you can rev them all you want to. If the cam sits directly on top of valve its faster, more reliable and there is no rods that can bend there is no rockers that can break, get mislined etc.. thousand more reasons
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Originally Posted by shiny suit man
Yes
cause you can rev them all you want to. If the cam sits directly on top of valve its faster, more reliable and there is no rods that can bend there is no rockers that can break, get mislined etc.. thousand more reasons
cause you can rev them all you want to. If the cam sits directly on top of valve its faster, more reliable and there is no rods that can bend there is no rockers that can break, get mislined etc.. thousand more reasons
also Ford was using OHC on a 427 motor in the 60s. that was a big block that produced 700hp and spun 7500RPM built by Ford it was designed and built in a matter of months. It was ready to dominate NASCAR until the Mopar boys got scared because the HEMI could not touch it at the time and threatened to leave NASCAR if they did not ban it. so then Ford took it drag racing and dominated with it there for a few years
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