What happens when Ford meets Honda??
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Originally posted by "Someone"
Originally posted by chethewitt
i agree its hard to overcome a lack of displacement. plus torque is always at a premium with smaller engines like the b16 and b18. power to weight ratio is more important that hp and torque and with 200hp at the wheels in a car weighing 2200lbs it will be just as fast as a car with 300whp in a car weighing 3400lbs. not to mention handling which is another argument completely.
do the math.
more reasonable numbers...for 6000 a civic hatchback can easily have 200whp.
2200/200whp= 11:1
3560/300whp= 11.86:1
my point the numbers do not lie. so anyone who can prove otherwise show me some numbers and show me some 1/4 mile times in daily driven mustangs on daily driven tires.
*2200lbs is the weight of a 5th generation hatchback.(full interior ac no power locks no power windows etc.)
Originally posted by chethewitt
i agree its hard to overcome a lack of displacement. plus torque is always at a premium with smaller engines like the b16 and b18. power to weight ratio is more important that hp and torque and with 200hp at the wheels in a car weighing 2200lbs it will be just as fast as a car with 300whp in a car weighing 3400lbs. not to mention handling which is another argument completely.
do the math.
more reasonable numbers...for 6000 a civic hatchback can easily have 200whp.
2200/200whp= 11:1
3560/300whp= 11.86:1
my point the numbers do not lie. so anyone who can prove otherwise show me some numbers and show me some 1/4 mile times in daily driven mustangs on daily driven tires.
*2200lbs is the weight of a 5th generation hatchback.(full interior ac no power locks no power windows etc.)
For the same $6k Ill have a 680 horsepower smallblock. N/A thanks to some trick Indy heads and some other goodies. Single carb relatively mild street cam. So I guess what Im trying to say is ... fuck you and your economy race car.
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Some of you mention this thing... handling? how come I never see most of you pussies displaying your handling at an AutoX? I may only go 14.8 in the 1/4 with my small V8 and 3300lbs of Ford.
And why the focus on IRS? Its not that good. A properly set up 5 link rear suspension (T/A + PHB etc) on a live axle is just as good or better any day.
As far as REAL racing goes... I dont see any MR2s (not to single anyone out really) or 2dr Civics or any Eclipses running in GT class World Challenge races. Mind you there are only a few Mustangs but thats the real fucking deal. Theres only 1 NSX even!
We all what what each other has... 4bangers want Torque V8s want MPG 4bangers get turbos and lose mpg V8s can get a few MPG at the expense of Torque
4bangers and Supras like it from a roll
V8s like it from still
I could care less mind you I will race anyone. There are FEW cars that can beat me BOTH at the strip and on the AutoX. Beat that. for example: a recent race-
Mustangs: 0:58 1:00 1:01 0:59
Civics: 1:05 1:03 1:05... let me add a fully race prepared swapped suspensioned SI that ran a :55 not EVEN nice to street drive
ITR: 1:01 with a VERY experienced autoX driver and a autoX suspension
CRX: 57 (my hats off to him)
a Z06 stock (mind you LEAF SPRINGS IN THE BACK) 57sec
Need more? I bet the Z06 has the best 1/4 mile times too!
Chetthewitt come to an autoX in May at Gville the drag strip will be open for test and tune likely as well or fuck well just streetrace. Ill win once and youll win once (maybe)... and whose car will be the better in driving? mine because I cant get anywhere without turning! Eat me.
-Shawn the closed minded
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Some of you mention this thing... handling? how come I never see most of you pussies displaying your handling at an AutoX? I may only go 14.8 in the 1/4 with my small V8 and 3300lbs of Ford.
And why the focus on IRS? Its not that good. A properly set up 5 link rear suspension (T/A + PHB etc) on a live axle is just as good or better any day.
As far as REAL racing goes... I dont see any MR2s (not to single anyone out really) or 2dr Civics or any Eclipses running in GT class World Challenge races. Mind you there are only a few Mustangs but thats the real fucking deal. Theres only 1 NSX even!
We all what what each other has... 4bangers want Torque V8s want MPG 4bangers get turbos and lose mpg V8s can get a few MPG at the expense of Torque
4bangers and Supras like it from a roll
V8s like it from still
I could care less mind you I will race anyone. There are FEW cars that can beat me BOTH at the strip and on the AutoX. Beat that. for example: a recent race-
Mustangs: 0:58 1:00 1:01 0:59
Civics: 1:05 1:03 1:05... let me add a fully race prepared swapped suspensioned SI that ran a :55 not EVEN nice to street drive
ITR: 1:01 with a VERY experienced autoX driver and a autoX suspension
CRX: 57 (my hats off to him)
a Z06 stock (mind you LEAF SPRINGS IN THE BACK) 57sec
Need more? I bet the Z06 has the best 1/4 mile times too!
Chetthewitt come to an autoX in May at Gville the drag strip will be open for test and tune likely as well or fuck well just streetrace. Ill win once and youll win once (maybe)... and whose car will be the better in driving? mine because I cant get anywhere without turning! Eat me.
-Shawn the closed minded
Im looking for a 1g DSM preferable AWD and definitely boosted
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Originally posted by "Someone"
Originally posted by Fordman
Fair enough. 
Hopefully the above statement about being closed minded was not towards me. I know that you know I give credit to the imports when credit is due so do we need to go there ?
Originally posted by Fordman
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Originally posted by 94TSiAWD
I guess Im saying that a word like SOME or even MOST would help.
IE: Most Domestic V8 guys are closed minded.
I guess Im saying that a word like SOME or even MOST would help.
IE: Most Domestic V8 guys are closed minded.
Hopefully the above statement about being closed minded was not towards me. I know that you know I give credit to the imports when credit is due so do we need to go there ?
V8 guys that seem import friendly usually resort to this at one point or another. Its fine. Its everyones right to an opinion.Drag racing is fun.
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Originally posted by "Someone"
Originally posted by flounder
I agree with Joe and Eric dont bash others because of what they choose to drive.
Originally posted by flounder
I agree with Joe and Eric dont bash others because of what they choose to drive.
My point exactly Flounder.
This reminds me of the people who Wont run me from a stop because I have All Wheel Drive. They picked their car not me. They must forget the amount of horsepower it takes to run my drivetrain and the fact that my little import car weighs 3200 lbs. I dont sit and bitch about it though. I picked my car.
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Originally posted by URFUCT
Heres a none closed minded opinion for ya Ive had a FWD Turbo Talon that went 13.3 in the quarter and it costed about $800 a month to keep it running.
Originally posted by URFUCT
Heres a none closed minded opinion for ya Ive had a FWD Turbo Talon that went 13.3 in the quarter and it costed about $800 a month to keep it running.
Is this a joke? Or do you have some screwball mechanic doing all the work for you? Ive had my car nearly 4 years. Fixed a leak in the water neck a week after I bought it and replaced 2 Discount Auto u-joints with OEM ones. Oh yeah Ive had to change the oil too.
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Originally posted by Mars_302
Bob Cosby went 11.95 with a stock long 99 cobra with very few other mods. And there is a stock motor mustang class they run into the 11s all day. Thats stock heads stock intake and throttle body. They run on slicks I believe though.
Originally posted by Mars_302
Bob Cosby went 11.95 with a stock long 99 cobra with very few other mods. And there is a stock motor mustang class they run into the 11s all day. Thats stock heads stock intake and throttle body. They run on slicks I believe though.
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I hate to dip into a honda/ford war but I just have to add my fuel to the fire... 
A honda s2000 comes for 32k its a 4 banger and turns out respectable times in the 1/4 mid 14s high 13s if you are good and lucky.
And its real strength isnt even in the 1/4 but rather on the track.. which for the most part isnt that big in the US so its a moot point..
Just my .02.
A honda s2000 comes for 32k its a 4 banger and turns out respectable times in the 1/4 mid 14s high 13s if you are good and lucky.
And its real strength isnt even in the 1/4 but rather on the track.. which for the most part isnt that big in the US so its a moot point..
Just my .02.
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Originally posted by "Someone"
Originally posted by 94TSiAWD
Is this a joke? Or do you have some screwball mechanic doing all the work for you? Ive had my car nearly 4 years. Fixed a leak in the water neck a week after I bought it and replaced 2 Discount Auto u-joints with OEM ones.
Oh yeah Ive had to change the oil too.
Originally posted by 94TSiAWD
Originally Posted by Someone
Originally posted by URFUCT
Heres a none closed minded opinion for ya Ive had a FWD Turbo Talon that went 13.3 in the quarter and it costed about $800 a month to keep it running.
Heres a none closed minded opinion for ya Ive had a FWD Turbo Talon that went 13.3 in the quarter and it costed about $800 a month to keep it running.
Is this a joke? Or do you have some screwball mechanic doing all the work for you? Ive had my car nearly 4 years. Fixed a leak in the water neck a week after I bought it and replaced 2 Discount Auto u-joints with OEM ones. Oh yeah Ive had to change the oil too.
