Well theres also this thing about the driver and when I was over a second faster than a guy in a C6 Z06 I'm going to go with I dont give a shit.

Yeah mr. Z06 only used 2nd down the main straight, I used third and I was faster. It was more fun to actually use the gears. Thats why I like driving a manual car, thats where driving dynamics comes in, how much fun is the car to drive? I dont want to go to an autocross, or a track or a mountain road and leave it in 2nd the entire time that would be boring. Thats what makes driving something with a tiny motor fun, going up and down the gears and working for the speed. Its not about the power its about the over all experience. I'd like to row through the gears and down shift. Its exiting and makes the driving experience much more fun.

In the end, I was still faster than an LS7 car that is well known to be very compentant out of the box at auto-x.

If I was building an all out race car then the entire set up would be different from the suspension to the tires to the engine, but I'm not I'm building a car that is exciting and rewarding to drive. You need to get out and do some more driving. I dont care if the car is actually faster, what matters is how much fun I'm having.

I can also say with confidence your LSX car isnt going to be any faster than mine in the mountains and maybe a few 10ths if that at an auto-x. Even then I doubt that unless your running DOT-R comps or better because you're going to have a nightmare of a time trying to get any traction. Road course you'll be faster but again not a race car so as long as I'm driving what ever car I'm in fast I dont care.

 

Cool you were faster than a heavier car, with an extensively modified car, good job on going back to chris's spreadsheet again comparing the corvette to an S chassis, the comparison was same chassis, different engine.

Working for the speed is fun ?

Give me a break, i'll pass on having to rev the shit out of things just to get along in traffic, anyone who's got enough sense and driven a few different cars generally admits having a car with a lot more midrange torque is a lot nicer to drive around.

But hey you have fun jumping around and doing all that shifting, i'm not forcing you to go to a better setup, just amused that you absolutely refuse to admit, after countless apples to apples comparisons, that its better, and keep going back to apples to potatos comparison examples.

 

It wont matter, if its a few tenths faster, or a few tenths slower, or a few seconds slower, it will drive far more enjoyable on the street, in traffic, and on the highway, i've never claimed to be building an all out racecar, just a nice daily driver.

And you're silly on the traction thing, keep hoping that works, it wont though.

Little torque at motor, high gear to multiply it, lots of torque, lower gear to not multiply it, at the end of the day i'll just be shifting less.

 

How is it going to drive any better on the street than my car that makes no sense at all. I dont have rev my car at all to get around people. Car moves quickly enough in traffic, I'm not racing so why do I need to go fast around town? I've never once thougt "man I wish I had more power," I only think that the car is perfectly balanced the way it is.

And a car that weighs only about 350lbs heavier and makes twice the power, giant tires/brakes, runs about 3 seconds faster in the quarter and we were on a course designed for big powered vehicles? Yeah thats fucking awesome, sorry you cant admit to that. As for extensively modified, my car is off the shelf stuff thats it. I dont even have decent coil-overs for grip. I took down a car that was built to be extreamly fast from the start and I had all the disadvantages except weight, which is easily offset by the Z06's power and lower center of gravity.

And yeah traction is going to be an issue, gearing or not. Stop hiding behind numbers on a page, real world the surface of pretty much every place your going to race is going to be total shit.

 

I've driven enough cars to know that something with midrange torque is much more enjoyable to drive, anyone around who's driven an RB or JZ engine'd s chassis will generally attest to this.

Again cool you beat the vette ? I dont care about what the big corvette does ?

So the surface is magically going to be traction city with your SR, and then ice over when I come along because i've got pushrods


Too funny.

 

No the traction totally sucks in my car, which is my point. Its hard enough to get grip with only 280hp/tq and stock gearing. 400+ is a nightmare unless your going to run giant tires or DOT-R's or slicks. But hey your gearing is magical or something so you dont need to worry about it.

At the end of the day I have no complaints about my car. Its perfectly balanced for what I want, Its quick, nimble, makes you work when you want to go fast and its rewarding. You can have your 90mph 2nd gear and never shift. To me thats boring as fuck and there is no challange in it. There is more to a car than putting your foot down on the gas and brake.

If I wanted something easy to drive I'd buy a cadilac.

But keep on talking about a car that you have yet to drive and keep telling me how much better it is than my car.

And to clarify I never said your car or motor suck or are going to suck. Only thing I've ever said was its not what I want.

 

I think it's cute that you're so furious over all of this. I only take exception to misrepresenting the work that I did myself. Everything else is topical and I don't give 2 shits about. You're the one that's about crash TR with nuh-uh, yeah-huh's just because 2 people don't like LSx's or Corvettes (or any of that other crap, GTO exception).

My calcs say that from 45-145 I'd win by less than 1/2 a car. Your "calcs" your 60-120 is 0.1 second faster. Oooh I put the wrong gearbox in your car. Big hairy deal. I know all the flaws in both sets of math, and you didn't list one of them.

Static flow rate isn't all it's cracked up to be.
GM /= Technology.

I'm trying to have a discussion. You're trying to have an argument.

 

 

dam ^

 

well that's interesting