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Jan 31, 2005 | 09:10 AM

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and how many SR's make 270 on the stock turbo, i think maybe one around here? average is around 240'ish...once again jeff, WHERE IS THE PROOF to that ever so ignorant statement that you like to throw out there now and then one motor out of about 100 makes 15-20 more horsepower than the rest and that makes it a superior motor, wow...? on topic now, a few users of this forum have used or are using the 7cm 20G, and swear by it, its a quick spooling turbo contrary to what your friends sisters brothers cousin told his brother in law whos aunt told you about it being laggy, welcome to misinformation city

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Jan 31, 2005 | 09:12 AM

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are you serious jeff? i've seen many a T25 2G put down high 240's on the stock turbo, they are heavier so they dont move like a T25 on a 240 would..so again, proof to back up your previous statement?

there are many people who make 240rwhp on stock turbo sr without even a rom tune or afc tune...

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Jan 31, 2005 | 09:16 AM

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there are many people who make 240rwhp on stock turbo sr without even a rom tune or afc tune...

so? wheres the proof of it being a better motor?

btw, you're welcome for all that useful information about the 20G

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Jan 31, 2005 | 09:17 AM

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IIRC most SR's are making around 255whp. Some, like John's Made over 270.

There's no misinformation here. I can see a difference of 300-500rpm being a given for people's perception on a turbo's lag. 3500 is still laggy. 4000 is even more so. I think you're so into the 4g engine you wouldn't give in to this even if I had 50 dynosheets with 100 DSM owners sworn statements saying the 4g isn't as superior as you think it is.

Im not downing the motor, you sure took offence quick. It's a great motor, with excellent potential. The SR is just better, and breaks less.

Jan 31, 2005 | 09:18 AM

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I think Enthalpy or someone who has a lot of SR expierence would be better suited for this debate of yours. Im simply going by the limited expierence I have with these two different engines.

Jan 31, 2005 | 09:19 AM

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so? wheres the proof of it being a better motor?

btw, you're welcome for all that useful information about the 20G

hehe thanks i love you...but back to your question...

to me.... if one motor is putting out more power... lol then its obviously better... get into details about pricing, reliability etc fine what have you... but as a basic concept... motor that producing more power... better engine

Jan 31, 2005 | 09:20 AM

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IIRC most SR's are making around 255whp. Some, like John's Made over 270.

There's no misinformation here. I can see a difference of 300-500rpm being a given for people's perception on a turbo's lag. 3500 is still laggy. 4000 is even more so. I think you're so into the 4g engine you wouldn't give in to this even if I had 50 dynosheets with 100 DSM owners sworn statements saying the 4g isn't as superior as you think it is.

Im not downing the motor, you sure took offence quick. It's a great motor, with excellent potential. The SR is just better, and breaks less.

i dont even own a 4G powered car, nor do i have any intention on ever owning one again, i was simply going to reply to give jonas some useful information on a turbo he was interested in, and what i saw so far was misinformation so i stepped in, and all i want is for you to come up with solid proof that that motor is better, i happen to find them a pretty even match, you got high horsepower SR's, high horsepower 4G's, you got SR's going in all sorta of touring races in japan, you have 4G's running 7 second quarter miles in the US, so once again, proof?

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Jan 31, 2005 | 09:22 AM

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hehe thanks i love you...but back to your question...

to me.... if one motor is putting out more power... lol then its obviously better... get into details about pricing, reliability etc fine what have you... but as a basic concept... motor that producing more power... better engine

apples to oranges, the T25's are not the same between a DSM and an SR, the Dsm guys would kill to be able to hold boost all the way to redline on their car, but they still make 250'ish, agree to disagree, they are both great motors that have their strong points and their weak points

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Jan 31, 2005 | 09:23 AM

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because they dont drifttttt hahaha jk jkjk... but ok back on topic... does anyone happen to know of manifolds made for td06 to bolt up to sr?

Jan 31, 2005 | 09:24 AM

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i dont even own a 4G powered car, nor do i have any intention on ever owning one again, i was simply going to reply to give jonas some useful information on a turbo he was interested in, and what i saw so far was misinformation so i stepped in, and all i want is for you to come up with solid proof that that motor is better, i happen to find them a pretty even match, you got high horsepower SR's, high horsepower 4G's, you got SR's going in all sorta of touring races in japan, you have 4G's running 7 second quarter miles in the US, so once again, proof?

Well I didnt think the debate was over built motors, I thougth we are talking stock for stock? I didn't post up any misinformation (except for the 6cm slip-up). Honest mistake really.

and since you're so into this debate. You're the one trying to disprove me here, I don't care weather you think one's better then the other. why don't you disprove me. Instead of the other way around.

That is how debates work ya know.

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