2.0L vs 2.4L
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I think one main point that 4dr is trying to get to is that if 2.3 is "all the way" it has yet to truely be shown the way. I agree with more time and developement in 2.3/2.4 varients they may show to be number 1, but until that day comes 2.0 seems to be doing its job very well.
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[QUOTE=44PIRATE]
You don't have to drive a car to the gas station with pump gas in it. People who race their cars and use race gas usually use race gas ALL the time so there is never pump gas in the system every. Hence the octane mixture is always the same. Do you think every gas station that has 93octaine uses the exact same gas and it always has the same mixture? I don't think so so there for your mixture would be more likely to be off then if you just used race gas all the time.
I never said I preach the truth or that I was a mechanic. I'm just saying when someone says "I did 10s and it was on pump gas" and leaves out the fact that they also had alky injection on the car it is miss leading. It's like someone saying "I ran 10s on pump gas" and left out the fact they were spray nitrous or what not.
And my technical worth quote was not geared towards you George, so good job for thinking something was intended for you and getting offended when it wasn't even meant for you and it was quoted about someone else totally different. And if what you said about Daddys buying stuff and fixing it was a stab towards me, you could not be any farther then from the truth.
"2.3" all the way is still to be shown. They are making leaps and bounds in the performance world though.
By the way George, Wheres your car? What's it have and how is it doing?
Originally Posted by 4drwhore
How is it not the same mixture when you get it from the same place and same octaine all the time? I would be more worried about what kind of corn oil they put in at 7-11 this time around. Most people run pump gas+ alky because its CHEAPER and lowers intake temps vs expensive race gas and hot intake temps. Not about mixtures.
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When you put in race gas, you must have some pump gas in the tank, how much exactly, who knows it's a guess. So your guessing at your octane level. With alky your always tuned to run. If you've gone to the track and put race gas in there, you would have noticed how your tune is always needing tweeking. Where as with alky it's tuned right all the time.
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I'm not jealous but don't preach whats not the truth
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Oh I forgot, your a mechanic, so what you preach is the truth
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The purpose is of this thread is not for people who have no mitsu tech experience or knowledge to come in and question what the topic is about.
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What makes you think I don't have any knowledge or tech experience? My daddy didn't buy me my car and fix shit for me.
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Oh yea nothing replaces displacement? Tell that to shep who is running 8.4s at over 177mph vs cars that have more displacement with auto trans who are running slower and not making as much power with more stuff. I think it is to be said that a setup tuned pretty much perfect can be better then displacement.[/QUOTE
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2.3 all the way
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When you put in race gas, you must have some pump gas in the tank, how much exactly, who knows it's a guess. So your guessing at your octane level. With alky your always tuned to run. If you've gone to the track and put race gas in there, you would have noticed how your tune is always needing tweeking. Where as with alky it's tuned right all the time.
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I'm not jealous but don't preach whats not the truth
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Oh I forgot, your a mechanic, so what you preach is the truth
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The purpose is of this thread is not for people who have no mitsu tech experience or knowledge to come in and question what the topic is about.
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What makes you think I don't have any knowledge or tech experience? My daddy didn't buy me my car and fix shit for me.
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Oh yea nothing replaces displacement? Tell that to shep who is running 8.4s at over 177mph vs cars that have more displacement with auto trans who are running slower and not making as much power with more stuff. I think it is to be said that a setup tuned pretty much perfect can be better then displacement.[/QUOTE
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2.3 all the way
You don't have to drive a car to the gas station with pump gas in it. People who race their cars and use race gas usually use race gas ALL the time so there is never pump gas in the system every. Hence the octane mixture is always the same. Do you think every gas station that has 93octaine uses the exact same gas and it always has the same mixture? I don't think so so there for your mixture would be more likely to be off then if you just used race gas all the time.
I never said I preach the truth or that I was a mechanic. I'm just saying when someone says "I did 10s and it was on pump gas" and leaves out the fact that they also had alky injection on the car it is miss leading. It's like someone saying "I ran 10s on pump gas" and left out the fact they were spray nitrous or what not.
And my technical worth quote was not geared towards you George, so good job for thinking something was intended for you and getting offended when it wasn't even meant for you and it was quoted about someone else totally different. And if what you said about Daddys buying stuff and fixing it was a stab towards me, you could not be any farther then from the truth.
"2.3" all the way is still to be shown. They are making leaps and bounds in the performance world though.
By the way George, Wheres your car? What's it have and how is it doing?
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Originally Posted by 44PIRATE
I went from a 50trim 2.0 to a Jerry built 2.3. I personally liked the 24psi spooled at 2800-3000 rpm on the 2.3. The 2.0 would spool 24psi at 3600-3800 rpm. I ran a 12.2xx at 114.xxmph with the 2.0. I ran a 11.8xx at 119.xxmph with the 2.3.
2.0 60ft's were in the 1.7-1.8 range. The 2.3 were 1.5-1.6 range.
Daily driven, 2.3 rules. A daily driver in the 11's is great.
All this was done on pump gas with Alky injection. No race gas. So it was tuned to run 11's all the time. As soon as I get my current project running, I will be swithcing to another Jerry 2.3.
2.0 60ft's were in the 1.7-1.8 range. The 2.3 were 1.5-1.6 range.
Daily driven, 2.3 rules. A daily driver in the 11's is great.
All this was done on pump gas with Alky injection. No race gas. So it was tuned to run 11's all the time. As soon as I get my current project running, I will be swithcing to another Jerry 2.3.
BTW pump + alky = pump + alky
Another side note, if you look at anyone on AEM forums that has run more displacement you can clearly see the increase (respectively) in power/torque and 1/4 mile times vs their 2.0 setup.
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<By the way George, Wheres your car? What's it have and how is it doing?>
I sold my 97 talon. I picked up a 92 Talon AWD 6/4. It has 9:1 wiesco pistons, eagle rods. It has 1500 miles on the rebuild. I'm in the process of putting FMIC, alky inj, 660's, extrude honed intake with a PTE 50trim. 3inch custom exhaust. Maft keydiver chip. Pretty much same setup as the 97.
<And my technical worth quote was not geared towards you George, so good job for thinking something was intended for you and getting offended when it wasn't even meant for you and it was quoted about someone else totally different. And if what you said about Daddys buying stuff and fixing it was a stab towards me, you could not be any farther then from the truth.>
My apologies.
I liked the 2.3 on the highway too. When your cruising in 5th at 80mph at 3300rpm at 18% throttle and push it to 50% throttle, your instantly at 20+ psi and at 110 in a blink of an eye. Where as with the 2.0 I had a tendancy to downshift to 4th to get past the lag.
In order to get benefit of the high rpm output in the 2.0 you would need a lot of supporting mods. Big Cams big head porting with bigger valves bigger turbo and all that would seem to make it not as enjoyable as a daily driver. That would be my opinion. But you know what they say about opinions.
I sold my 97 talon. I picked up a 92 Talon AWD 6/4. It has 9:1 wiesco pistons, eagle rods. It has 1500 miles on the rebuild. I'm in the process of putting FMIC, alky inj, 660's, extrude honed intake with a PTE 50trim. 3inch custom exhaust. Maft keydiver chip. Pretty much same setup as the 97.
<And my technical worth quote was not geared towards you George, so good job for thinking something was intended for you and getting offended when it wasn't even meant for you and it was quoted about someone else totally different. And if what you said about Daddys buying stuff and fixing it was a stab towards me, you could not be any farther then from the truth.>
My apologies.
I liked the 2.3 on the highway too. When your cruising in 5th at 80mph at 3300rpm at 18% throttle and push it to 50% throttle, your instantly at 20+ psi and at 110 in a blink of an eye. Where as with the 2.0 I had a tendancy to downshift to 4th to get past the lag.
In order to get benefit of the high rpm output in the 2.0 you would need a lot of supporting mods. Big Cams big head porting with bigger valves bigger turbo and all that would seem to make it not as enjoyable as a daily driver. That would be my opinion. But you know what they say about opinions.
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Originally Posted by 4drwhore
How is it not the same mixture when you get it from the same place and same octaine all the time? I would be more worried about what kind of corn oil they put in at 7-11 this time around. Most people run pump gas+ alky because its CHEAPER and lowers intake temps vs expensive race gas and hot intake temps. Not about mixtures.
I'm not jealous but don't preach whats not the truth
And the point of this thread is for input from different people with different setups and different experiences. Ultimatly one has to be better for a certain purpose then the other. The purpose is of this thread is not for people who have no mitsu tech experience or knowledge to come in and question what the topic is about.
Oh yea nothing replaces displacement? Tell that to shep who is running 8.4s at over 177mph vs cars that have more displacement with auto trans who are running slower and not making as much power with more stuff. I think it is to be said that a setup tuned pretty much perfect can be better then displacement.
I'm not jealous but don't preach whats not the truth
And the point of this thread is for input from different people with different setups and different experiences. Ultimatly one has to be better for a certain purpose then the other. The purpose is of this thread is not for people who have no mitsu tech experience or knowledge to come in and question what the topic is about.
Oh yea nothing replaces displacement? Tell that to shep who is running 8.4s at over 177mph vs cars that have more displacement with auto trans who are running slower and not making as much power with more stuff. I think it is to be said that a setup tuned pretty much perfect can be better then displacement.
I am sorry, I am not a genius and know it all like yourself
I have no technical knowledge.. that's pretty amusing. I don't know everything about mitsubishi because I don't own one. I was just mentioning nothing replaces displacement. People say more boost does .. well when you have the 2.0 liter tuned to the best and a 2.4 to the best, I am sorry but the 2.4 will make more power. It's easier said than how it really happens but I am just mentioning that. You're right everything has a certain and better use when it comes to things. I was just trying to understand where you are getting with this thread with such a broad topic. You don't have to come off to be an asshole with just me asking a simple question either..
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Originally Posted by 44PIRATE
<By the way George, Wheres your car? What's it have and how is it doing?>
I sold my 97 talon. I picked up a 92 Talon AWD 6/4. It has 9:1 wiesco pistons, eagle rods. It has 1500 miles on the rebuild. I'm in the process of putting FMIC, alky inj, 660's, extrude honed intake with a PTE 50trim. 3inch custom exhaust. Maft keydiver chip. Pretty much same setup as the 97.
<And my technical worth quote was not geared towards you George, so good job for thinking something was intended for you and getting offended when it wasn't even meant for you and it was quoted about someone else totally different. And if what you said about Daddys buying stuff and fixing it was a stab towards me, you could not be any farther then from the truth.>
My apologies.
I liked the 2.3 on the highway too. When your cruising in 5th at 80mph at 3300rpm at 18% throttle and push it to 50% throttle, your instantly at 20+ psi and at 110 in a blink of an eye. Where as with the 2.0 I had a tendancy to downshift to 4th to get past the lag.
In order to get benefit of the high rpm output in the 2.0 you would need a lot of supporting mods. Big Cams big head porting with bigger valves bigger turbo and all that would seem to make it not as enjoyable as a daily driver. That would be my opinion. But you know what they say about opinions.
I sold my 97 talon. I picked up a 92 Talon AWD 6/4. It has 9:1 wiesco pistons, eagle rods. It has 1500 miles on the rebuild. I'm in the process of putting FMIC, alky inj, 660's, extrude honed intake with a PTE 50trim. 3inch custom exhaust. Maft keydiver chip. Pretty much same setup as the 97.
<And my technical worth quote was not geared towards you George, so good job for thinking something was intended for you and getting offended when it wasn't even meant for you and it was quoted about someone else totally different. And if what you said about Daddys buying stuff and fixing it was a stab towards me, you could not be any farther then from the truth.>
My apologies.
I liked the 2.3 on the highway too. When your cruising in 5th at 80mph at 3300rpm at 18% throttle and push it to 50% throttle, your instantly at 20+ psi and at 110 in a blink of an eye. Where as with the 2.0 I had a tendancy to downshift to 4th to get past the lag.
In order to get benefit of the high rpm output in the 2.0 you would need a lot of supporting mods. Big Cams big head porting with bigger valves bigger turbo and all that would seem to make it not as enjoyable as a daily driver. That would be my opinion. But you know what they say about opinions.
I was with a crew that did alot of testing on a 2.3 this weekend and I have to say I was impressed by what the car is able to achieve with that motor. It has shined new light on my outlook of those motors. With your setup why do you plan on going with such a "small" turbo like a 50trim on a 2.3 when that is pretty much the perfect turbo for a 2.0. I would think a 61+mm turbo would be more sutable for that setup.
Originally Posted by AnTman86T
I am sorry, I am not a genius and know it all like yourself I have no technical knowledge.. that's pretty amusing. I don't know everything about mitsubishi because I don't own one. I was just mentioning nothing replaces displacement. People say more boost does .. well when you have the 2.0 liter tuned to the best and a 2.4 to the best, I am sorry but the 2.4 will make more power. It's easier said than how it really happens but I am just mentioning that. You're right everything has a certain and better use when it comes to things. I was just trying to understand where you are getting with this thread with such a broad topic. You don't have to come off to be an asshole with just me asking a simple question either..
I have no technical knowledge.. that's pretty amusing. I don't know everything about mitsubishi because I don't own one. I was just mentioning nothing replaces displacement. People say more boost does .. well when you have the 2.0 liter tuned to the best and a 2.4 to the best, I am sorry but the 2.4 will make more power. It's easier said than how it really happens but I am just mentioning that. You're right everything has a certain and better use when it comes to things. I was just trying to understand where you are getting with this thread with such a broad topic. You don't have to come off to be an asshole with just me asking a simple question either..
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I dont wanna hear shit about DSM's having weak drivetrains. A WRX tranny will round off gears with 300-350 whp.
I saw those 2.1L destroked motors on SBR's site. What is the difference between a 2.4L block with a 2.0L crank and a 2.0L bored to a 2.4L bore?
I saw those 2.1L destroked motors on SBR's site. What is the difference between a 2.4L block with a 2.0L crank and a 2.0L bored to a 2.4L bore?
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Originally Posted by Frankie Figs
I dont wanna hear shit about DSM's having weak drivetrains. A WRX tranny will round off gears with 300-350 whp.
I saw those 2.1L destroked motors on SBR's site. What is the difference between a 2.4L block with a 2.0L crank and a 2.0L bored to a 2.4L bore?
I saw those 2.1L destroked motors on SBR's site. What is the difference between a 2.4L block with a 2.0L crank and a 2.0L bored to a 2.4L bore?
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Originally Posted by Frankie Figs
I dont wanna hear shit about DSM's having weak drivetrains. A WRX tranny will round off gears with 300-350 whp.
I saw those 2.1L destroked motors on SBR's site. What is the difference between a 2.4L block with a 2.0L crank and a 2.0L bored to a 2.4L bore?
I saw those 2.1L destroked motors on SBR's site. What is the difference between a 2.4L block with a 2.0L crank and a 2.0L bored to a 2.4L bore?
Originally Posted by 4drwhore
Stroke and crank are two different things.
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I have gone 11.6 with a little 2.0ltr and a little 16g in a big ass galant.
Look at the fastest 4 bangers out there.
All the GM ecotech motors are 2.0ltr`s.
Why doesnt GM use thier 2.4???
Look at the fastest 4 bangers out there.
All the GM ecotech motors are 2.0ltr`s.
Why doesnt GM use thier 2.4???
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