Get the FMIC www.streetimports.com

 

id be happy with low13's high12's. nothing to crazy but as far as tuning ive heard of people getting rid of theyre stand alone's for the gm tanslator because its so good to tune with.

 

you wanna get 12s you're deff gonna need an fmic, and will eventually need a better than stock clutch, also an lsd would help.

 

A really nice set of tires will definently help in achieving that goal as well.

 

It's never the wrong time to get DSMlink. DSMlink rocks, I can't wait until the 1g version comes out. At the least, buy an SAFC and datalogger, either blue-screen version will work. Take care of the fuel system with a walbro 255 or the quieter supra pump, a good adjustable fuel pressure regulator, and some 650's.

The (poorer) guys on the Supra boards run their sidemounts until they run out of other BPU mods around the 400 whp level then switch to big front mounts and typically pick up only ~20 hp. A Supra sidemount is more than enough intercooler for an Evo 16g (don't bother with the other 16g's with the Evo 16g's selling for low $500's new). The front mount will work better, heatsoak less, but you can cheap out without losing a proportionate amount of performance.

*edit* I just asked a friend of mine who is on the Supra boards a lot, he says sp engineering tested their sp61 single turbo kit on the stock sidemount and made over 500 whp. Probably heatsoaked the hell out of that thing on a highway run, though.

 

jordan knows what he is talking about. note, those who say that you need a frontmount say "you need a fmic, supra sidemount sux." those who say you should get a supra sidemount back it up with numbers and real life experience.

personally, i would do it in this order:
walbro, kyb agx in the rear, nittos (245s) on the front, dsmlink, 550s, supra sidemount, evo III 16g

with some good driving and tuning, this is the cheapest route to high 12s, low 13s

 

LOL...i don't think you're referring to me with that last comment justin .but, in the event that you are: i certainly never said, "supra sidemount sux." i don't remember ever thinking that for that matter. point i was making is there's another board member who was running a dejon sidemount (another bigger sidemount upgrade) on a 2g and was struggling to make power (and he wasn't even at 300hp yet) until he switched to a good fmic and low and behold, he found that power. he was tuning on the dyno at secret sevices when he found this out, mind you. as far as the supra sidmount, when you consider that you can get a decent new FMIC (20+ x 7+ x 3+) for around $200 and make the piping for around $100, i don't think the supra sidemount is very cost effective. secondly, with the supra sidemount, you have to swap endtanks, and i'm sure you know that those end tanks blow , especially once you rotate them. finally, consider the frontal surface area of the aforementioned decent front mount and you will see how efficient the FMIC is over the smic setup.
fact enough for you? i know what the numbers say (although i don't know where you get those numbers for temps at the tb from, except chris posted those on tbdsm without test evidence, but..) but they don't tell the whole story. the 400hp marker you've labeled the supra sidemount with is on a six cylinder twin turbo setup...the supra made 400hp. so it's good for 400hp on a twin turbo six cylinder supra, but what's that mean for a 4g63. show the numbers on a 4g63...where's the 2g eclipse that makes 400hp with supra sidemount??? make a few runs with that supra sidemount...or up the boost to say 22 psi for that matter and have fun as it heat soaks or the endtanks blow...then swap on that front mount and tell me it was worth it for the supra sidemount. if you have $100-$175 for a supra side mount, but don't own an s-afc, datalogging equipment, injectors, fuel pump, basically every standard mod necessary before making real power...then your priorities are out of whack. if you're at the point where your sidemount is holding you back, why go to another sidemount that's just going to hold you back after another mod or upped boost and good tuning. save the money and get a good front mount and you'll save your self some time and hassle. that's my advice...and no, not because i'm an expert...but i do the research too justin.

 

fyi...i never said the supra smic would do 400hp, not to mention 400hp on a dsm. jordan said it would do 500hp (if only for 1 run) on a supra. the only claim i made is that it is cheap, and i posted Zirc's TB temps from tbdsm...which I assume are legitimate (why would he lie???).

to tell you the truth, i don't give a crap what this guy or anyone else runs. i don't think anyone here would argue that a supra smic is better than a decent sized fmic...but i've met this guy...and i don't think he's going to a place where he's going to benefit from the fmic. i'm just saying that a supra smic is probably the 'right size' for this guy's setup and budget.

just an fyi... here is a guy running a 12.1 (i was being conservative with high 12s/low 13s) on a supra smic...and even this post notes that there are people out there running 11s on both stock sidemounts and supra smics.
http://www.teamnabr.com/ubbpub/ultim...=000070#000001

i am one of the biggest proponents of "mod right, mod once" but i just doubt if this guy is going to mod far enough to require a fmic. he doesn't even have any fuel mods at this point. I think the fmic is the most overdone mod on dsms. my opinion is that a fmic is not necessary for all applications. if i only had a dime for everytime i've met a slow dsm with a fmic present company excluded...of course

i should also add that I too have heard bad things about the dejon smic and wouldn't recommend it to anyone

 

actually you DID say it was, "good the 350-400hp range." and, for the sake of arguement, everyone will benefit from a fmic...to say they wouldn't is like saying they won't benefit from a 3" turbo-back. but otherwise, fair enough...

what do you mean by "overdone" as it regards fmics??? how can that be overdone? it's a mod. that's it. if you've done all the "basic" modifications then that's just another step to making power.

anyway, IF he's looking for 12's to 13's on a 2g fwd then he's going to have to do all those "basic" mods, and i think it's safe to say that he'll need a LOT more than a supra sidemount AND all those "basic" mods to hit 12's...i doubt with all the basic mods he'll break 14 seconds (not 'cause it's not possible, but because of his obvious lack of experience).

 

gotta start somewhere