Non ethanol gas stations
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your personal experiances mean nothing to me thats why i didnt include them. you dont know enough about the things you are talking about for your personal opinion to matter. you have not conducted any tests on rubber in E10 and E0. all you know is that you feel a perfomance change. ever put yer car on a dyno to see the actual differance? i think not. i have compared dyno charts posted my reputable people who actually own the dynos comparing hp on E10 and E0. (these were in a piston engine). yes i know its going to be differant from car to car because of a slue of factors. but on average most of that be tuned away by having the fuel maps tuned based on E10 (since i doubt its going to go away anytime soon)
point being: if your losing that much money in gas and that much performance spend the money to get it tuned on E10 and youll get MOST of it back. or dont and deal with your decision like a big girl.
point being: if your losing that much money in gas and that much performance spend the money to get it tuned on E10 and youll get MOST of it back. or dont and deal with your decision like a big girl.
first of all, learn how to use spell check
second of all what the fuck does yer mean? Im sorry I dont understand stupid redneck...
Third of all, I know you have been brushing up on your parenting skills and all, and you may have to tell your girlfriend to deal with her decisions like a big girl, but you dont have to talk to me like that. If you want to get started on dealing with situations as an adult we can, but something tells me its not appropriate for tr....
Dont you have a kid coming anyway? Shouldnt you be working overtime or something... Pampers are expensive now a days....
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wow, a bit angry and at the wrong people...
anyhow, rotary motors will have more issue adapting to fuel containing ethanol just because of the fuel's burn rate. A rotary has a very short period of duration for combustion (typically referred to as constant volume combustion...think of dwell) in comparions to a piston motor.
I see you also lost, probably 2-3 mpg (guessing tank size). Right?
I don't know why Mazda has issued the warning for rotary motors, be it fuel system, the engine internals themselves or just because the motor will have issues running (idling could become a PITA). Anyone know more on the bulletin, as I'm intersted.
anyhow, rotary motors will have more issue adapting to fuel containing ethanol just because of the fuel's burn rate. A rotary has a very short period of duration for combustion (typically referred to as constant volume combustion...think of dwell) in comparions to a piston motor.
I see you also lost, probably 2-3 mpg (guessing tank size). Right?
I don't know why Mazda has issued the warning for rotary motors, be it fuel system, the engine internals themselves or just because the motor will have issues running (idling could become a PITA). Anyone know more on the bulletin, as I'm intersted.
I honestly have not looked into Mazda's message about this, so I don't know much about it. Idling is fine, seems to take alot longer in the morning to warm the car up and get it to idle right though
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And I just loooove how this thread has become all about shit bashing. It's not even useful anymore to the people that really care and want answers
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I really don't see any performance benefits...like I had said, it is wise chess game played by the oil companies and gov't alike. It was sold to be better on emissions, which it is, but at what trade off? I personally don't think it is worth it. I know many people who have ka24's and RX7's here (VA now) and no issues at all. I'd say its your car (check plugs and temps). Tune up time? My best friend had an 84 RX7 and never had an issue with it on e10. Yes, the cars will go down in performance, slightly on e10. My butt dyno didn't notice my 6 whp loss on the same tune (at the time the daily was only 218 on our shop mustang). Tuned up and couldn't get 1 hp back at the same boost.
Shit, my old beat as 1980 SR5 corolla doesn't have an issue with it.
I'm am curios as to what the fuel temps are getting up to down there? you guys still only in the 80's? temp has been one reason FL (and parts of texas) has waited so long to swap over.
I'm really curious as to why you guys are having issues?...let me know how your plugs look, gap and temp range.
Shit, my old beat as 1980 SR5 corolla doesn't have an issue with it.
I'm am curios as to what the fuel temps are getting up to down there? you guys still only in the 80's? temp has been one reason FL (and parts of texas) has waited so long to swap over.
I'm really curious as to why you guys are having issues?...let me know how your plugs look, gap and temp range.
as for the plugs and what not, everything is nice and fresh. stock replacement... I'll have to rip them out (well, out of my car cuz they are a pain to do in the RX7, lol) and send you pics. We did both our cars at the same time, so they've got less than 1k on them...
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wow, a bit angry and at the wrong people...
anyhow, rotary motors will have more issue adapting to fuel containing ethanol just because of the fuel's burn rate. A rotary has a very short period of duration for combustion (typically referred to as constant volume combustion...think of dwell) in comparions to a piston motor.
I see you also lost, probably 2-3 mpg (guessing tank size). Right?
I don't know why Mazda has issued the warning for rotary motors, be it fuel system, the engine internals themselves or just because the motor will have issues running (idling could become a PITA). Anyone know more on the bulletin, as I'm intersted.
anyhow, rotary motors will have more issue adapting to fuel containing ethanol just because of the fuel's burn rate. A rotary has a very short period of duration for combustion (typically referred to as constant volume combustion...think of dwell) in comparions to a piston motor.
I see you also lost, probably 2-3 mpg (guessing tank size). Right?
I don't know why Mazda has issued the warning for rotary motors, be it fuel system, the engine internals themselves or just because the motor will have issues running (idling could become a PITA). Anyone know more on the bulletin, as I'm intersted.
but see, I've been saying 30 miles less to the tank, and on average, thats right around 2 mpg. 2 mpg seems to be ok with everyone, but for some reason, 30 miles less to the tank is just beyond reasonable...
did I miss something in there?
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people should buy some of the ethanol test kits. There have been several people testing E10 at the pump and seeing as high as a 40% ethanol content.
E10 may be okay, I don't think so, I'd rather not have the shit in my fuel, but at 40% concentration on a car not so designed. NO ONE can argue that this is a bad thing.
E10 may be okay, I don't think so, I'd rather not have the shit in my fuel, but at 40% concentration on a car not so designed. NO ONE can argue that this is a bad thing.
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About Ethanol, an alcohol blend gasoline made from corn/grains...
some useful information - they also sell the test kits
some useful information - they also sell the test kits
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A little exerpt from the website:
Ethanol (ethyl alcohol) has several chemical properties and effects which render it to be incompatible with engine parts and vehicles -
Alcohols are water soluble, attract and absorb water/moisture, solvent, cleanser and cleaner, drying-agents, de-greaser...and more
Many motors, especially older engines, are constructed with parts that become very brittle over time and cannot withstand the effects of alcohol. When E10 gas is used, the engine components can disintegrate and clog the engine with sludge and grime, causing the engine to "lock up" and seize. When this happens, often the engine cannot be fixed and must be replaced.
Ethanol's effects vary depending on the engine type, model and year and type of fuel system, (Carbureted, direct-injected, 2 stroke or 4 stroke).
Marine engines are probably least compatible with ethanol-blend fuels. Aircraft agencies ban alcohol-blend fuels and are exempt from using E-10 and E-85.
Gasoline absorption of water is problematic (gas becomes contaminated and must be discarded).
Operating an engine on an alcohol content that is too high (over 10% for E10), will cause engine damage and poor performance.
The primary reason E-10 ethanol gas is harmful
is because of it's alcohol/ethanol solvent and water-absorbing qualities.
E-10 is also inconvenient because the shelf life of only 2-3 months.is because of it's alcohol/ethanol solvent and water-absorbing qualities.
Ethanol (ethyl alcohol) has several chemical properties and effects which render it to be incompatible with engine parts and vehicles -
Alcohols are water soluble, attract and absorb water/moisture, solvent, cleanser and cleaner, drying-agents, de-greaser...and more
Many motors, especially older engines, are constructed with parts that become very brittle over time and cannot withstand the effects of alcohol. When E10 gas is used, the engine components can disintegrate and clog the engine with sludge and grime, causing the engine to "lock up" and seize. When this happens, often the engine cannot be fixed and must be replaced.
Ethanol's effects vary depending on the engine type, model and year and type of fuel system, (Carbureted, direct-injected, 2 stroke or 4 stroke).
Marine engines are probably least compatible with ethanol-blend fuels. Aircraft agencies ban alcohol-blend fuels and are exempt from using E-10 and E-85.
Gasoline absorption of water is problematic (gas becomes contaminated and must be discarded).
Operating an engine on an alcohol content that is too high (over 10% for E10), will cause engine damage and poor performance.
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people should buy some of the ethanol test kits. There have been several people testing E10 at the pump and seeing as high as a 40% ethanol content.
E10 may be okay, I don't think so, I'd rather not have the shit in my fuel, but at 40% concentration on a car not so designed. NO ONE can argue that this is a bad thing.
E10 may be okay, I don't think so, I'd rather not have the shit in my fuel, but at 40% concentration on a car not so designed. NO ONE can argue that this is a bad thing.
also, with the water absorbtion, how do gas stations keep water out of the tanks to begin with? Unless there is something in the tank that I don't know about, they don't try all that hard. I've seen tanks getting filled while it was raining. normal gas and water just don't mix, so if you get your pick up set up right, you minimize the risk of picking up the water. but the ethanol basically holds onto the water...
I can only imagine how fantastic that is for our motors...
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A little exerpt from the website:
E-10 is also inconvenient because the shelf life of only 2-3 months.
Ethanol (ethyl alcohol) has several chemical properties and effects which render it to be incompatible with engine parts and vehicles -
Alcohols are water soluble, attract and absorb water/moisture, solvent, cleanser and cleaner, drying-agents, de-greaser...and more
Many motors, especially older engines, are constructed with parts that become very brittle over time and cannot withstand the effects of alcohol. When E10 gas is used, the engine components can disintegrate and clog the engine with sludge and grime, causing the engine to "lock up" and seize. When this happens, often the engine cannot be fixed and must be replaced.
Ethanol's effects vary depending on the engine type, model and year and type of fuel system, (Carbureted, direct-injected, 2 stroke or 4 stroke).
Marine engines are probably least compatible with ethanol-blend fuels. Aircraft agencies ban alcohol-blend fuels and are exempt from using E-10 and E-85.
Gasoline absorption of water is problematic (gas becomes contaminated and must be discarded).
Operating an engine on an alcohol content that is too high (over 10% for E10), will cause engine damage and poor performance.
The primary reason E-10 ethanol gas is harmful
is because of it's alcohol/ethanol solvent and water-absorbing qualities.
is because of it's alcohol/ethanol solvent and water-absorbing qualities.
E-10 is also inconvenient because the shelf life of only 2-3 months.
Ethanol (ethyl alcohol) has several chemical properties and effects which render it to be incompatible with engine parts and vehicles -
Alcohols are water soluble, attract and absorb water/moisture, solvent, cleanser and cleaner, drying-agents, de-greaser...and more
Many motors, especially older engines, are constructed with parts that become very brittle over time and cannot withstand the effects of alcohol. When E10 gas is used, the engine components can disintegrate and clog the engine with sludge and grime, causing the engine to "lock up" and seize. When this happens, often the engine cannot be fixed and must be replaced.
Ethanol's effects vary depending on the engine type, model and year and type of fuel system, (Carbureted, direct-injected, 2 stroke or 4 stroke).
Marine engines are probably least compatible with ethanol-blend fuels. Aircraft agencies ban alcohol-blend fuels and are exempt from using E-10 and E-85.
Gasoline absorption of water is problematic (gas becomes contaminated and must be discarded).
Operating an engine on an alcohol content that is too high (over 10% for E10), will cause engine damage and poor performance.
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