if its so great why dose it say LESS THAN 10 % instead of 10% ist crap. i keep my car well tuned and maintained dont race it at all and less milage for the last month what a coincidence!!! yes your indy car runs great on it but wasnt it made to run on that shit!!!!

 

Okay- current totals

For - 6
Against-7

next post....

 

From some of my research. after this, I suggest to /thread. Or at least let me have a day or 2 break. I need to refill after dishing out this much.

Unfortunately this article lists fewer positives than we would like - BECAUSE the negatives of E10 currently exceed the benefits for using E10 fuel.


We are all hopeful that with the passage of time and some necessary consumer protection laws, a little regulation, and an increase in consumer knowledge on how to properly manage ethanol-blend fuels, the "Ethanol Scare and Resistance" will become more manageable in the future.


Benefit 1:The most obvious benefit of ethanol-blend fuels is that it decreases our dependence on foreign oil...If we could run our vehicles/engines on 100% ethanol, which has been successful in Brazil - this benefit would be noticeable - Unfortunately since E10 (10% alcohol) results in a 5-7% drop in mpg, our decrease in foreign oil use is minimal.


The increased production of Flex Fuel Vehicles (which use 85% ethanol blend fuel) since 2003, seemed encouraging...
But sadly, due to lack of availability of E85 in most areas, E85 which would have a dramatic effect on our need for foreign supplied petroleum has yet to occur.
Many of the FFV's purchased here in the U.S. are still using only conventional and E10 gas.


On so many levels the good intentions of our government over the past 10 years in promoting ethanol, ignored the negative side effects increased ethanol production would cause. For example, several recent studies reveal that the ethanol plants have reached medically unacceptable levels of pollution (increased lung disease) in the vicinity near these plants. This is one serious obstacle we must overcome before we could encourage increased production/distribution of ethanol.
Of lesser concern but present is our inability to have adequate corn and grains to produce ethanol. Many have noticed this in the increased cost of corn and corn syrup for edible consumption.


Oops - this page is titled "benefits" and I've only listed "1" so far in the previous 4 paragraphs...Back to benefits...


Benefit 2:Ethanol is an anti-freeze - Benefit to consumers in colder climates (ethanol-blend fuels will not freeze when air temperature below freezing.


Benefit 3:Studies on MTBE revealed it can cause cancer and groundwater consumption - Reason MTBE is now banned. A shame we had to replace MTBE with an ingredient that increases pollution and has caused a dramatic increase in incidence of lung disease in vicinity near these plants. Reminds me of when we replaced lead in gas, which caused neurological damage, with MTBE - Seems we're making the same mistake again.
Oops I'm discussing negative again...Back to benefits...



Benefit 4:Ethanol is a cleanser and solvent and keeps your engine "clean" - But this is only a benefit to some people who have used E10 since the engine was "new". For everyone else who switches to E10 in an older and dirty engine, this cleansing effect will cause engine malfunction and damage - Years of accumulated rust, sediment and gunk will be released from your engine and will clog filters and engine parts...
Ooops, sorry...I again turned a possible benefit into a negative...I'll give it another try to think of some benefits of ethanol fuels...


Benefit 5:The farming industry is booming now due to the need for increased production of corn and grains, used to produce ethanol.


Did I mention that farming industry equipment is exempt from using ethanol fuels?
They produce ethanol but refuse to use ethanol in their engines. Doesn't sound right to me...
One reason given for farm equipment E10 government exemption is because farmers correctly believe that ethanol fuel will decrease the useful life of their gas-powered equipment, which they expect to last for 20 or more years -
Too bad your average auto or boat owner wasn't given the same consideration to be able to receive exemption. Boaters are furious because they experience far greater problems with E10 than auto and other engines owners, since boats live in a water environment and ethanol attracts water into the fuel supply.


Benefit 6:Ethanol is safe to the environment. The ethanol used in fuel is the exact same ingredient as alcoholic beverages (beer, wine, whiskey) - Ethanol alone can be consumed and certainly will not pollute our landscape and waterways if accidentally spilled - But since as a fuel it also contains petroleum and numerous other environmentally dangerous chemicals, this benefit would only be relevant if our fuel supply was E100 (100% ethanol / ethyl alcohol).


Other benefits:I've tried really hard to think of a few more benefits of ethanol fuel use - but since they are minimal, compared to the dangers of ethanol, they seem almost not worth mentioning now.
Most of the other benefits involve increased profits and government financial incentives offered to those companies producing and selling ethanol gas.

Ethanol has also proved to be very profitable for the fuel additive industry - those companies selling products with claims that they can "fix" or protect fuel, which contains ethanol. Warning: Many of these new "ethanol fuel fixing" products in this category deceptively make claims that water contaminated gas can be restored - It can't. Also several of these products marketed to consumers for protection against ethanol, actually contain alcohol in them!


It's unfortunate that your average consumer does not receive any of the "benefits" when purchasing and using ethanol gas; Actually using E10 is causing great financial hardship to the public - primarily due to repair costs (engine side effects of ethanol fuel) and due to the expected decrease in the life expectancy of their gas-powered engines.




My opinion:While the EPA and U.S. government intended for increased distribution of ethanol fuels to be advantageous, the results have been very disappointing. Fortunately there are several other safer renewable and reformulated fuels, expected to be introduced in the future, such as biofuels.


While alcohol is basically an environmentally safe compound, it has revealed itself to be unsafe and undesirable as a fuel blend.
I believe it would be better to utilize ethanol for non-fuel products and purposes, (E.G. beverages, medicinal use, cleansers, solvents, drying agents, etc.), and to leave ethanol out of our fuel supply.

 

^ deserves a break... go fill your brain back up...
meanwhile, I'm going to ponder the effects of temp and of water.
might make for some interesting discussion.

 

this:

"Most of the other benefits involve increased profits and government financial incentives offered to those companies producing and selling ethanol gas"

is the part that has been bothering me.

its no different than a drug dealer cutting their product to increase available supply(and profit) and then getting government money to help him run his business.

 

that is the part that explains why all of the major gas companies are selling ethanol. And also why there wasn't a whole lot of emphasis put into testing. Shit, if the government is gonna give me a huge kickback just to increase my profit margins, then fuck yeah I would do it

 

This 10% ethanol shit is making my car fucking almost stall at morning startup. My motor no likey! This is bullshit!

 

but tom, didn't you know, all you need to do is get a tune up. Its because you fail at owning your car. That is why it is running like ass. The ethanol should be making it run so much better.

didn't you know.......

 

lol i just had a valve adjustment! (InspectionI) My car should be running awesomely bad ass! Fuck this gas. Im going to raise some hell. SOMEONE POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND PUSH! hahaha

 

I honestly couldn't tell ya who to bitch to... other than some higher level of government. but in all honesty, what good is that gonna do?

in the mean time, find the normal gas, gas stations and only use them. Get all of your friends to only use them. Make it worth that startions time to only sell conventional fuel