even if you are driving an auto you still have to guage your speed in certain times and areas,so you STILL have to been a good driver.imo

 

understood in road courses and stuff like that. My mindset of this whole convo is drag racing only.

 

No doubt.

But slamming the brake, depressing the clutch, blipping the throttle, downshifting, letting the clutch out and turning all at the same time is a lot more fun and requires a lot more skill than just braking and turning. Any bozo can do that by the time they are 16 years old. But not everybody is good at heal n toe.

 

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My point exactly!

 

It might be difficult to sell new shifting technology in the current era of TR where cars purposely losing traction and sliding around corners is the next great thing. Unfortunately 'racing' is hardly cool anymore. Your product looks promising to say the least.

 

Sarcasm right?

 

tru

 

then on the other hand if you BUILD your car and design it to how you wish and choose to run 1/4 with an auto does that make you any less of a racer?i know there are auto pro racers

 

You still slam the brakes, downshift, turn, and accelerate with this transmission. The only difference being you don't have to depress the clutch. It still takes great skill to maneuver a car around a track quickly, regardless of whether or not you have an extra pedal to depress. I too think I'd rather have the complete experience with a regular manual transmission, but I wouldn't think of it as cheating or lack of driver skill if people decided to use this sort of gearbox on the track.

I would have thought many of the drag racers would love this sort of transmission seeing as though the goal is to get down the strip as quickly as possible. Quicker shifts = lower E.T.s

 

I'm a stick shift fan and optimising the driving experience is important to me - I've raced up the quarter in my youth but these days I circuit race. As a 'purist' I hate aero and electronics that 'argue' - so I don't like traction/stability control and I don't like ABS.

Facts:
- Shift time is valuable in any contest - strip or circuit.
- Means of uninterrupted torque shifting have been available to quarter milers for decades. You can only do it UP the stack but not down with these boxes.
- Smooth isn't just comfortable, it's quick.

- A ZeroShift box is no quicker than boxes with over-driving sprags at the strip because some of them already 'zero shift'.
- Being lighter and less power-hungry than a slush box, a ZeroShift car would have a weight and available power advantage over an auto/torque converter set up.
- ZeroShift can replicate the most mechanically efficient and light quarter mile boxes up AND DOWN the stack - and it's SMOOTH.

The last few posts question whether ZeroShift detracts from or spoils the driving experience/skill.
- All our early tests with the ZeroShift box were done WITHOUT any controls.
- With practice you can approximate what our FlatLiner electronics do with your feet on the clutch and gas pedals - but you have got to be right on top of your game to coordinate with a ZERO time shift. Basically, you've got a sub-30ms window to dance in tune with your shift hand.
- A few of us got pretty good at it but it distracts you from your driving so the electronics are there purely to sort it out.

ZeroShift traction controlling features:
- The fact that ZeroShift 'traction controls' between gears is a function of FlatLiner maintaining output torque across the shift. That assumes you had traction before the shift. If you didn't you wouldn't have it through or immediately after either.
- If you opt for the FromZero launch/creep/hillstart system that replaces the clutch pedal, it's not strictly traction control: it's acceleration control. As we all know, a bit of slip at launch aids optimum time. FromZero optimises ACCELERATION which is not the same as traction. FromZero is an OPTION.
- If you overcook it into a corner (or provoke oversteer), if you want to break traction in gear by kicking the gas pedal just before the cams come in or the turbo boost arrives, or you hit the NOS button in a low gear, nothing we make will argue with the consequences.

IMHO, the need for driver skill is not diminished but performance is enhanced.