new type of transmission
Originally posted by ZeroShift
If you get your fun from the skill of feeding in clutch/power yourself, you would not bother with this but if your fun comes from winning, FromZero is real fun...
If you get your fun from the skill of feeding in clutch/power yourself, you would not bother with this but if your fun comes from winning, FromZero is real fun...
Originally posted by 4drwhore
I'll take a lenco instead, thanks anyways. Seems this would take alot of fun out of racing. I mean it would be good for the people who do bracket racing but alot of the part of racing is shifting. It takes more of a driver to run low 11s in a manual 5speed car then it does a guy with the same everything and just an automatic with a stall. Seems good but I guess I'll just stick with the old proven method of having a manual car. Something about the actions of pushing in the clutch and slamming the gears that makes driving more fun. More power to you guys though.
I'll take a lenco instead, thanks anyways. Seems this would take alot of fun out of racing. I mean it would be good for the people who do bracket racing but alot of the part of racing is shifting. It takes more of a driver to run low 11s in a manual 5speed car then it does a guy with the same everything and just an automatic with a stall. Seems good but I guess I'll just stick with the old proven method of having a manual car. Something about the actions of pushing in the clutch and slamming the gears that makes driving more fun. More power to you guys though.
This kind of looks like it may be the next step in transmission technology. I'm sure the same was said about the advent of syncros..."I like the idea of double clutching to get the car in gear, syncros will take the fun out of driving".
Should be interesting to see if this technology makes it into production cars down the road. If it were cheaper, I'd love to put one of their T5's in my next Mustang. Perhaps the price will come down dramatically as the technology further develops and demand increases.
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Originally posted by Alan
F1 drivers have been using this sort of technology for years, does this make them less of a driver than you?
F1 drivers have been using this sort of technology for years, does this make them less of a driver than you?
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F1 is backing off on tech but mainly because of the cost of it and it getting close to reducing the driver to a passenger!
ZeroShift fits inside F1 gearboxes which means that genuine F1 tech can be streetable. Something F1 is already doing is using regs to force longer life in the components and in so doing outlawing things like sacrificial qualifier engines and gearboxes. Allegedly a team built a sacrificial gearbox that managed a one-shot qualifying run without oil in it because oil drag cost a few BHP.
F1 components in the richer teams have very low service lives - like a couple of hundred kilometres for a 3rd gear (which equates to about 30km actually driving in that gear and 170km idling). The parts are minimum in the extreme and that's why, without ballast, the whole car doesn't weigh much more than a couple of burger enthusiasts.
I don't see them returning to clutch pedals when clutch pedals are gradually being dialled out of road cars. I also don't see them going back to stick shifts because of the 'risks' (go figure) of steering one-handed and shifting. Paddles (or similar) are here to stay. The driver rather than an ECU will be in complete charge of activating the clutch and the shifts.
Current or future regs suit ZeroShift and as cost/safety/link-to-showroom become more of an issue, ZeroShift is even more compelling.
ZeroShift fits inside F1 gearboxes which means that genuine F1 tech can be streetable. Something F1 is already doing is using regs to force longer life in the components and in so doing outlawing things like sacrificial qualifier engines and gearboxes. Allegedly a team built a sacrificial gearbox that managed a one-shot qualifying run without oil in it because oil drag cost a few BHP.
F1 components in the richer teams have very low service lives - like a couple of hundred kilometres for a 3rd gear (which equates to about 30km actually driving in that gear and 170km idling). The parts are minimum in the extreme and that's why, without ballast, the whole car doesn't weigh much more than a couple of burger enthusiasts.
I don't see them returning to clutch pedals when clutch pedals are gradually being dialled out of road cars. I also don't see them going back to stick shifts because of the 'risks' (go figure) of steering one-handed and shifting. Paddles (or similar) are here to stay. The driver rather than an ECU will be in complete charge of activating the clutch and the shifts.
Current or future regs suit ZeroShift and as cost/safety/link-to-showroom become more of an issue, ZeroShift is even more compelling.
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Zate:
Since it's feasible and possible, we figure enthusiasts should be able to access ZeroShift hence the aftermarket program.
ZeroShift is already heading for the showrooms. The path will probably go like this ... independent dealer ... official dealer-fit option ... OE factory option ... standard fit. Expect that course to be short-circuited in some cases.
We're keeping our powder dry re: the video until after the media has driven the car. I'm well aware that the secrecy tends to breed conspiracy theories and BS flags but WTF? The whole point of the 'reveal the tech' to Racecar Engineering and Autocar earlier this year was so they could corroborate our claims. They'll drive our demo car next and it won't be long from now. After that, all will be revealed - date and venue booked.
Since it's feasible and possible, we figure enthusiasts should be able to access ZeroShift hence the aftermarket program.
ZeroShift is already heading for the showrooms. The path will probably go like this ... independent dealer ... official dealer-fit option ... OE factory option ... standard fit. Expect that course to be short-circuited in some cases.
We're keeping our powder dry re: the video until after the media has driven the car. I'm well aware that the secrecy tends to breed conspiracy theories and BS flags but WTF? The whole point of the 'reveal the tech' to Racecar Engineering and Autocar earlier this year was so they could corroborate our claims. They'll drive our demo car next and it won't be long from now. After that, all will be revealed - date and venue booked.
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Last edited by ZeroShift; Aug 19, 2004 at 01:12 PM.
Originally posted by ZeroShift
F1 is backing off on tech but mainly because of the cost of it and it getting close to reducing the driver to a passenger!
F1 is backing off on tech but mainly because of the cost of it and it getting close to reducing the driver to a passenger!
Now referring to your statement of "reducing the driver to a passenger" isn't that what your tranny is doing?
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Originally posted by Alan
F1 drivers have been using this sort of technology for years, does this make them less of a driver than you?
F1 drivers have been using this sort of technology for years, does this make them less of a driver than you?
Originally posted by ZeroShift
F1 is backing off on tech but mainly because of the cost of it and it getting close to reducing the driver to a passenger!
F1 is backing off on tech but mainly because of the cost of it and it getting close to reducing the driver to a passenger!
Why? Are you passenger in an auto?
Overriding the clutch and gas for a few milliseconds either side of a shift still leaves you with the H-gate in your hand and - if you want - the clutch pedal for launch/creep/hillstart.
As posted earlier, I guess the driver input is the same as powershifting an existing manual up the quarter mile but with a guaranteed perfect result.
Overriding the clutch and gas for a few milliseconds either side of a shift still leaves you with the H-gate in your hand and - if you want - the clutch pedal for launch/creep/hillstart.
As posted earlier, I guess the driver input is the same as powershifting an existing manual up the quarter mile but with a guaranteed perfect result.
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Originally posted by ZeroShift
Why? Are you passenger in an auto?
Overriding the clutch and gas for a few milliseconds either side of a shift still leaves you with the H-gate in your hand and - if you want - the clutch pedal for launch/creep/hillstart.
As posted earlier, I guess the driver input is the same as powershifting an existing manual up the quarter mile but with a guaranteed perfect result.
Why? Are you passenger in an auto?
Overriding the clutch and gas for a few milliseconds either side of a shift still leaves you with the H-gate in your hand and - if you want - the clutch pedal for launch/creep/hillstart.
As posted earlier, I guess the driver input is the same as powershifting an existing manual up the quarter mile but with a guaranteed perfect result.


