Carbs. Vs. Injection
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Originally posted by 0HP930
While I get a kick out of scott trying to make a carb work on his turbo project at the same time I feel like he is seriously reducing the potential of his project.
While I get a kick out of scott trying to make a carb work on his turbo project at the same time I feel like he is seriously reducing the potential of his project.
Trying to make it work ?
Tell that to Brent, he is one of many that have found how powerful and dependable a car/turbo set-up is.
http://users.rcn.com/davisab/
He drove this car to and from work for over two years, got 15+ m.p.g. (when off the boost) and it made 660 rwhp/712rwtq with the exact same shortblock (stock +F cam) that I have. Never a issue.
Now he has ponied up for a better block /heads and is making 900 +. That's right carb/turbos are the suck.
Go to www.turbomustangs.com and head into the carb forum and spout off how this combo will not make RELIABLE power. Bet you get dozens of responses proving otherwise.
Anyone notice all of the magazines that have been doing turbo/carb or blower/carb articles ? I have a pile of recent mags on my desk with these articles.
And as far as your expertise in carbs go that was how many years ago ? Take the bowls off to make jet changes ?
Ever hear of a metering block that allows for external jet changes ? Metering rods ? Power valves ? If you are changing these parts on a regular basis you need to leave carbs. alone. Some of you want to make claims carbs. make less power than similar efi set-ups. Where are your facts / references ? I provided some and I have yet to see any of you post something other than your opinion or information from yesteryear to prove otherwise. Again not undestanding them is a poor excuse to say they can not make effecient power.
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thought there was a carb that was produced a while ago, that go insane gas milage, but you never heard about it after it's initial announcement? or was this just urban legend?
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Originally posted by Scott
And as far as your expertise in carbs go that was how many years ago ? Take the bowls off to make jet changes ? Ever hear of a metering block that allows for external jet changes ? Metering rods ? Power valves ? If you are changing these parts on a regular basis you need to leave carbs. alone.
And as far as your expertise in carbs go that was how many years ago ? Take the bowls off to make jet changes ?
Ever hear of a metering block that allows for external jet changes ? Metering rods ? Power valves ? If you are changing these parts on a regular basis you need to leave carbs. alone.
Last time I had to rejet a carb was in 97 on a honda african twin for a good friend of mine in daytona. Like most bikes with an aftermarket exhaust it needed a little tweaking. Sorry to tell you that nearly every CV carb in existance has a metering rod. They arn't just for quadrajunks ya know.
Do you even know how many power valve options there are for a holley carb alone? Plus there are dual stage valves for the better fine tuning of street cars. Do you think they made all those options for the hell of it? There is a reason why a vacuum guage was one of the instruments I bothered to put in my old car.
http://anthonyrawson.com/cars/Celica.../Celica011.jpg
And FYI, for the majority of carbs out there the bowls must come off to change the main jets. I'm sure your $900 carb is an exception and you will probably going to need it for all your tuning unless you are just going to live with all those flat spots and stumbles you will find as your carb reveals itself throughout your flow and pressure ranges.
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Originally posted by 0HP930
Damn, I thought you were supposed to be carb expert yourself but with a quote like the one above I guess you haven't been into that many carbs. Being knowledgable about carbs involves a lot more than ordering them from a catalog and bolting them into your car.
Last time I had to rejet a carb was in 97 on a honda african twin for a good friend of mine in daytona. Like most bikes with an aftermarket exhaust it needed a little tweaking. Sorry to tell you that nearly every CV carb in existance has a metering rod. They arn't just for quadrajunks ya know.
Do you even know how many power valve options there are for a holley carb alone? Plus there are dual stage valves for the better fine tuning of street cars. Do you think they made all those options for the hell of it? There is a reason why a vacuum guage was one of the instruments I bothered to put in my old car.
http://anthonyrawson.com/cars/Celica.../Celica011.jpg
And FYI, for the majority of carbs out there the bowls must come off to change the main jets. I'm sure your $900 carb is an exception and you will probably going to need it for all your tuning unless you are just going to live with all those flat spots and stumbles you will find as your carb reveals itself throughout your flow and pressure ranges.
Damn, I thought you were supposed to be carb expert yourself but with a quote like the one above I guess you haven't been into that many carbs. Being knowledgable about carbs involves a lot more than ordering them from a catalog and bolting them into your car.
Last time I had to rejet a carb was in 97 on a honda african twin for a good friend of mine in daytona. Like most bikes with an aftermarket exhaust it needed a little tweaking. Sorry to tell you that nearly every CV carb in existance has a metering rod. They arn't just for quadrajunks ya know.
Do you even know how many power valve options there are for a holley carb alone? Plus there are dual stage valves for the better fine tuning of street cars. Do you think they made all those options for the hell of it? There is a reason why a vacuum guage was one of the instruments I bothered to put in my old car.
http://anthonyrawson.com/cars/Celica.../Celica011.jpg
And FYI, for the majority of carbs out there the bowls must come off to change the main jets. I'm sure your $900 carb is an exception and you will probably going to need it for all your tuning unless you are just going to live with all those flat spots and stumbles you will find as your carb reveals itself throughout your flow and pressure ranges.
Oh god no, not the Celica again.
First off your first paragraph makes zero sense ?
I know enough about power valves to know once you know your vacuum reading they are pretty much moot. But with all of your infinite wisdom you need to know the power valves in my carb are completely different than any of the crap you have worked on. (metering rods
) With the references you have made about carbs I am starting to wonder what third world units you have worked with.Ever seen a carb with adjustable PCVR's ? Go ahead do a google search and get back to me with a witty reply of "well yes of course I know what PCVR's are."
And since your reading comprehension skills seem to have faded (must be the special cigs you smoke
) no where did I say I had external jet change capability on my carb, I said it was a option in this day and age not 1970.Flat spots /stumbles ? Not a chance, again we are not dealing with some POS factory bullshit here. Took it out of the box, hooked it up, turned the key, slapped the throttle and what do you know ? Throttle response like (or better) than EFI. I know hard to believe when you are living in the past. Oh and one more thing, we made one jet change and the A/F was almost dead nuts on.
Hey why no reply to Brent's car or all of the other factual references I gave you ? I know the truth hurts especially when you are bitter.
Now have fun working on you air cooled 80's Super car.
(And you criticize me about my car / motor ? 
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I love these 3rd grade level debates with 0Hp, he adds additional pages into his novel of things he thinks he knows something about.
I got what I was looking for plus a added bonus and all of it out of the eyesight of FFA. Maybe next time I will start a debate about avitars in Area 51 so our in house expert on everything can chime in.
But Derek you are right, since I know where this is going and some good points have already been discussed among those with brainstems I will stick to the strict Ford forum policy of no TRama.
Hope all of you enjoyed the show, good night and god bless.
I got what I was looking for plus a added bonus and all of it out of the eyesight of FFA. Maybe next time I will start a debate about avitars in Area 51 so our in house expert on everything can chime in.
But Derek you are right, since I know where this is going and some good points have already been discussed among those with brainstems I will stick to the strict Ford forum policy of no TRama.
Hope all of you enjoyed the show, good night and god bless.
