carbs are gay......... which explains Scotts love for them....

 

i found this in Scotts sig on the carbd ford website


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I agree 100%:o hes bragging about the temp drop...which will only occur with a restriction and drop in pressure.

I do see alot of Carb setup making very high HP #s...but mostly peak hp #s. All set up for racing. With a short runner manifold to match. Most EFI setups have a manifold designed with daily driver use in mind. Good midrange Tq as a trade for high rpm hp. And then as many people build up high HP EFI setups they run into problems selecting...or even finding a good race EFI intake manifold setup for those high peaks HP #s. I think thats where the idea that carbs make more power came from.

But all things being equal..EFI is superior IMO. Especially if you plan to DRIVE the car.

 

I drive my car Al.. right by you...
1/4 mile at a time!
sorry, couldn't resist.

 

ive never seen a car with a carb even come close to an efi car in the war on gas mileage...and that is one reason new cars have efi...also you average joes will never fix your efi...you will go to the dealer when it breaks...no rebuild kit for efi...its all about money...you spending it...and them taking it....anymore questions?

 

Not everyone here needs to pay someone to tune their car. There are several TR members that I know of that can put a laptop in their car, look at their A/F and/or knock maps and tweak their injection maps as needed to PERFECTLY tune their car.

That sure beats tearing apart your carb to change jets and power valves and adjusting metering rods, adjusting screws and stinking like gas and it MAYBE working out right.

Other people 'needing a new tune' for their carbs helped pay my expenses for years. Between holleys, edelbrocks, mikunis, webbers and other types of carbs on a variety of cars and motorcycles I have rejetted and adjusted hundreds of carbs in my lifetime (my old celica had a four barrel holley that I fucked with way too often too). Its an inexact science that is senseless to engage in if there is an EFI or MFI equivalent out there.

With the great aftermarket EFI systems there are out there there is nothing to keep someone from buying any performance manifold they want and machining and welding on some injector bosses and hooking up some big injectors and fuel rails to get any kind of crazy power they want.

You could easily take a manifold like scott's and add eight 1200 cc/min injectors to the runners which could support over 1500 HP if the manifold could ever flow that much air.

Anything you can do with carbs you can do with off the shelf components and injectors much better.

While I get a kick out of scott trying to make a carb work on his turbo project at the same time I feel like he is seriously reducing the potential of his project.

 

Actually....thats not a true statement at this point in time...soon maybe....but not right now

Car has to run to make it a 1/4 mile.

Im actually not anti carb at all. For many many race applications a carb setup along with the wide aray of excellent manifolds that can be had make it very appealing. Look through Jegs and Summit and you will see carb after carb but I think more importantly...manifold after manifold that are designed to operate in the 4000-8000 rpm range and even higher. You dont see any EFI manifolds made that are in that area. Not sure why. Almost all EFI manifolds that operate decent in that high rpm range are custom setups...that many times...leave alot to be desired.

F.A.S.T. just came out with an EFI manifold for the LS1 based cars. So far it has shown almost 0 improvement over the stock LS6 manifold.

 

ok ok.. it'll be running soon enough...
I just hope I make as much HP as you do..
Best thing I can do right now is guess..