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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 07:39 AM
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With the exception of the new cobra, im not feeling this over 30 k for a mustang? what justifies the price? the plastic shaker hood? ive heard a lot of mustang guys themselves rag on that one.... i personally could care less, but just cant figure out how 30k should come into the picture for a shaker hood, and some different wheels? im sure theres more to it... like i said... it just seems like even a lot of the mustang guys themselves rag on the hood... i like the shaker, just wish it was a little better quality.. although, the shaker for the newer dakota/durangos is cool too! and it seems like its more functional, actually hits the cleaner directly, not through 22 feet of piping?
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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 08:01 AM
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Do you even know what the car consists of or did u just read a car and driver mag?

4vdohc (only N/a 4v mustang available)
Solid rear axle (not availible with the cobra)
shaker hood
limited production
retro colors
Wheels
Unique C pillar(bullit and mach only)
unique front air dam.
Vintage style mach gauge cluster and seats

Im sure chris and zate can fill in the blanks. Please do research before commenting again. Thank you
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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by 722ish
With the exception of the new cobra, im not feeling this over 30 k for a mustang? what justifies the price? the plastic shaker hood? ive heard a lot of mustang guys themselves rag on that one.... i personally could care less, but just cant figure out how 30k should come into the picture for a shaker hood, and some different wheels? im sure theres more to it... like i said... it just seems like even a lot of the mustang guys themselves rag on the hood... i like the shaker, just wish it was a little better quality.. although, the shaker for the newer dakota/durangos is cool too! and it seems like its more functional, actually hits the cleaner directly, not through 22 feet of piping?
LOL. Ignorance is bliss.

Plus 3.55 gears from the factory Donnie. The cars are severely underrated as well. My car is making about 340/360 at the crank but Ford only rated it at 305/320. That's OK if he thinks it's a dressed up GT, it'll make him feel that much worse when he gets beat up. By the way, the 30k pricetag was out the door. The sticker was 28k.

*edit - Oh yeah, the shaker is Metal.
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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 03:22 PM
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Had all i read been car and driver i would have kept commenting on how out of date the solid rear axle platform is...all i did was ask a question, not comment on how i hate the car etc.... the only reason this came up was because i have heard quite a few people bitch about the METAL shaker hood, and its out of the way ducting! availability etc... its garbage... plenty of cars are deemed rare, and i see em every day.... funny, id get eaten by one of these... my RESEARCH shows numerous clockings of 5.2 seconds to 60 mph... funny, not ....

how about the 13 inch front brembo rotors, or the 11.7 rears..
no one mentioned the tokico shocks with 35 mm pistons front, and 30 mm rear....

i quote from car and driver for you all that seem to think i felt it pertinent...

"The Mach 1 has a shamelessly archaic twist: a semi-legitimate shaker air scoop that sprouts like a Maya ziggurat through the hood. We say semi-legit because the shaker only supplies a portion of the induction volume through a tube so winding it needs arrows to show the air where to go."

semi legitimate? hmm... sounds like pure performance to me~

im not the one who originally mentioned the 30 k pricetag... i wouldnt have even thought about it~

now, if you think im bashing the car, fine... i could give a shit less... but had you taken it for what it was to begin with, the mess here would have beem averted!

Now, all i did was ask a question, as in the justification of the 30 k sticker, and you know what, the "archaic twist" is pretty much the underpinnings of the GT! so far off i wasnt.. so it has a different pillar, and some rims, and gauges etc... these things justified the cost to you... but obviously not me, seeing how little i care....
now, had someone here jumped in the subaru forum and said why does the STi cost 30 k and a wrx down to 22-23.... and i had replied with shut the fuck up bullshit... you would have jumped down my throat.... no wonder lots of people have a bad view of mustang guys... i have no problem with the car, nor did i ! i think i even mentioned how i like the hood!

people criticize the hell out of my car.. i could care less... they are high limelight cars.. you couldnt just see i was asking and i might have been slightly impressed if anyone could have told me this without being an

sorry your hood is metal, and you have some different pillars and shit, could have just told me that right? and if i was so naive did you ever wonder why my main concern was the new cobra? although i have seen those go for almost 40! :o wait wait, let me guess.. someone is going to tell me that the 40 k is for more than some wheels a hood and a blower... oh yeah, IRS too...

take it easy ford boys, i wasnt cutting the car down, it sounds like a pretty nice car, although in light of this it gets less credit than i would have given it had there been no attack!
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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 03:31 PM
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no attack. I asked a question and assumed you knew nothing about it, which i was wrong in doing

The cars main features is the 4v motor which is unavailable in any other N/A form now , the live rear axle, which kills most of the wheel hop that the cobras have a problem with, and the limited production. Now granted the mach doesnt have as much potential as the cobra, but the stock ET's arent that far off. The mph is different due to the higher HP rating, but the IRS in the cobra keeps it from getting out of the hole as good as the live axle Mach. Plus 6-8k is a big difference to some people. and personally i wouldnt buy a 2Vmod motor (except in truck form)

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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 03:31 PM
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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 03:35 PM
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I'm sorry you think I was an asshole, but if you didn't think the way you worded your questions would provoke that reaction then you may want to re-evaluate the way you wrote it. As for the Car and Drive quotes, I wouldn't put much stock in what that magazine says, all they care about are $100k+ Exotics.

Again, I'm not normally an asshole, but in my opinion the way you worded your questions warranted the response you got from me.
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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 03:56 PM
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In 722's defense, he was posing legitimate questions, but definitely could have worded things a little differently. My personal take on it is, Mustangs and Camaros are for people with one set of tastes, WRXes, EVOs and STis are for another. With cars, it is ALWAYS a horses for courses issue. Hopefully everyone went into their respective showroom/dealership with an objective in mind and obtained the car that best allowed them to reach that objective on their budget. Hopefully everyone was happy with what they drove off in. In the end, that's all that really matters.

As someone with a lovably ugly ride , I can say that I have a certain appreciation for the shaker hood. As someone who is into forced induction, I'd have to say that I have a greater appreciation for the blower on the Cobra. Would I pay 8-9k more for a Cobra? Hell no...I'd buy a big, fat turbo system and strap that on a plain Jane, early 90s 5.0 GT if I really wanted to go fast in a straight line on the cheap. In the end, the Cobra has gimongous power potential if you can flip the bill, but the price of entry is pretty damned high. In my mind, the ideal straight line car is something old(cheap), small, heavily motored and blown.
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Old Jul 21, 2003 | 11:10 PM
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unintentionally misworded.... my bust, sorry....

as for the irs etc... i have heard lots of drag based mustang guys bitch about that since it was released.... why the hell they put one hell of a motor for going straight damn fast, in a car with suspension that is biased toward turning...SVT obviously has their powertrain sorted.. two 380 plus hp motors in vehicles less than 35 k! good stuff... even the detail such as the bigger rotors in the back of the lightning, well thought out stuff.. just IRS in a cobra?!? hmm, youd think they would do that in the GT to provide for a better ride etc.... more soccer moms drive gt's than a cobra! i guess they were after the ZO6 too much!

as for car and driver, well, they can shove it...
they dont want anything to do with the average car, say a mustang, wrx, camaro, corolla or the like..
those cocksuckers only seem to like M5s and SL 55's
horseshit if you ask me, but i just was being a little bit of an asshole back! again, sorry for the poor choice of words, it wasnt well thought out....

if i recall correctly the complaints about the wrx were primarily things that people could find preferential rather than overall assesments of the car.... it seems like they expect everything to have the BMW fit and finish..

funny, a stock m5 put down about 375 if i recall at mastro..
a Dinan car, with probably 20 k worth of upgrades on it, and it put down 390 or something like that! shit, if i dumped that kinda money into just about any car id considered driving under 40 k it would own an m5 like that! except it wouldnt have suede seats and headliner...
that stems from what TampaWRX said....to each their own, we all have our own need for speed so to speak, its quenched in a different way....

why yes ive got rice.. just wait, ive got my 3 foot tall aluminum wing and nozzle squirters on order.. funny you wont see em cause the hood scoop, but thatll make me tough and FAST right?
btw, i do got somethin comin, so in a few weeks or so, ill be around, well see what she can do
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Old Jul 22, 2003 | 02:02 AM
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Glad we understood each other this time.
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