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Old May 7, 2009 | 04:07 PM
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About how much HP and Torque should I expect to get out of a 2000 1.8T's stock internals? Mainly the rods. It's an ATC code motor on an Audi TT.

I was looking at getting a Big ass turbo upgrade on it and I REALLY don't want to have to replace some innards on that car, the engine bay is virgin tight...

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Old May 7, 2009 | 04:25 PM
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right now i have 360 WHP on stock internals and have never had any issues with breakage. I did replace my head bolts just to be safe.

I have a 2002 GTI 1.8t engine code: AWP

ive seen setups over 400 with stock internals.
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its not so much the bottom end, i think its mostly the valvetrain that i've seen fail. i would at the very least do head bolts for reliability reasons, if your head lifts it could cause major problems
Old May 7, 2009 | 06:21 PM
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Would these guys be good?
Audi TT MKI FWD 180HP > Engine > Mechanical > ES#263802 High Strength ARP head bolts - ECS Tuning Inc

Also, it's probably a good idea to replace the head gasket right?

Also also, is it a mega-bitch to put an APR Stage 3 of 3+ on?

Thanks for the info guys, your helping me like you have no idea hahaha
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Old May 7, 2009 | 07:33 PM
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those are the headbolts i used but i paid more then that... replacing the gasket isnt all that important unless you have high mileage. (over 75k)

the apr kit is fairly simple to install if you have a small bit of mechanical skills. It comes with what i call idiot instructions with pictures for those that cant read.

heres a list of the parts APR - High Performance Development for Volkswagen Vehicles

watch this video they go through all the parts in the kit and show you the instruction manual so you can see how easy it is. APR - High Performance Development for Volkswagen Vehicles

I have the APR Stage 3+ kit in my car and would be happy to let you check it out but my car isnt registered at the time but will be back on the road by june. (i fucked up and got a DUI) I just got my license back this week and the next step is to get my car registered again but i having issues with the DMV.

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Originally Posted by Ether811
its not so much the bottom end, i think its mostly the valvetrain that i've seen fail. i would at the very least do head bolts for reliability reasons, if your head lifts it could cause major problems
I think there has been plenty of rod failure in cars making 330+. Not sure about the Audi version, but the early Golf/Jetta 1.8t (AWW code) wouldn't take much more than that.
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Originally Posted by Garrett
right now i have 360 WHP on stock internals and have never had any issues with breakage. I did replace my head bolts just to be safe.

I have a 2002 GTI 1.8t engine code: AWP

ive seen setups over 400 with stock internals.
Yeah, well its proven that once you break the 300whp/wtq area you run a serious risk of loosing a rod(s). Congrats about making 360hp and having stock rods, but I wouldnt risk my whole motor just because I didnt want to put rods in.


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its not so much the bottom end, i think its mostly the valvetrain that i've seen fail. i would at the very least do head bolts for reliability reasons, if your head lifts it could cause major problems
Seriously?! Do you know anything about a 1.8T?




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Old May 8, 2009 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by G-Magoo
Yeah, well its proven that once you break the 300whp/wtq area you run a serious risk of loosing a rod(s). Congrats about making 360hp and having stock rods, but I wouldnt risk my whole motor just because I didnt want to put rods in.

i know i shouldnt but im actually assuming that i have stock rods since this car already had the APR Stage 3+ kit installed when i bought it. It could very well have aftermarket rods. I know the name of the person that owned this car before but dont know how to get in touch with him. The previous owners name is Christopher Howcroft. If anyone knows him i would love to get in touch with him.
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Originally Posted by G-Magoo
Seriously?! Do you know anything about a 1.8T?
well considering i don't own one NO, but i've heard of on more than one occasion more people running high boost having issues with the valvetrain. not saying rods arent an issue, but i wouldnt forget about the valvetrain either.
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300+ whp on stock rods is pretty bad ass for 4 cylinders. Considering a VR starts crunching them around 450, that should give you and idea of how much stress you're putting on a single rod... roughly 75hp. That's asking a lot from the only thing that connects your piston to your crank. Go stronger!
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