Not a honda here but.......
I'm a 4 banger.....forced induction & No I would never take the Comfort factor out of my car.
A/C, heated seats, carpet, stereo, sub, noise insulation blah blah blah!

I will always respect a cars speed. But yes a "Gutted car" is not my definition of a true street car.

"Fun" for me is taking out a C4 vette (MT) (Green w/ bbs wheels Custom exhaust....all purdy & shined up) with a wagon

Anyone on these boards want to fess up?
Yesterday ...about 3:45pm in Lakeland

You were cool about it.....Thumbs up & a smile....my kids loved it!

By the way....I had the kids with me so I never took the car over 4.5k

I still have guys after a run say.....so is it gutted? You gottah be sprayi'n!

 

that's why I stated (you know who you are)

I just hate to see certain people (IE - lancerman and qitsrn) being constantly
used as examples, yes everyone knows they have very fast cars, but how do
you know they don't enjoy all the hype surrounding their cars? do they enjoy
their setups being read off like a list to every person involved in an
arguement? maybe they do enjoy the publicity and boasting, I don't
know because I've never personally asked either.

never pointed any fingers, just hate to see alot of car groups (not limited to
Honda whatsoever) find a guy with a very fast and respectable car and use
them as a constant example for EVERY situation, and imply that if he did it "I
can too."

I will admit I'm guilty of refering to another person's car in certain instances,
but I am a strong believer that if you want to prove something, prove it
yourself, don't pull names out and use them for examples whenever you want
to prove a point.

 

ur right....the only thing thats annoying me is that c4 wont quite whining that an "inferior" car was pulling on a camaro ss...you can take almost any kind of car and make it fast...and yea...respectable pple will understand that...just because a car has four cylinders doesnt make it inferior...c4 is the only one in this forum that is trying to make a stupid and disrespectful point

 

you're missing what i said. for the record. N/A I4's ARE SLOW! i didnt say anything about turbo cars. Get that through you fucking skull.
what you would have to lose to gainspeed in an N/A I4 makes the car a lousy one to drive. Import tunnel vision say "i dont care as long as its fast." in that case put a K20 in a rusted garbage can, you probably could run 11's with that. You would be a lonely person to cause your not pulling girls with a garbage can.

 

ur funny...i dont need any additional help from what car i drive to get any girls....so now your going to start getting personal? thats good for you...unfortunately i dont have to be immature like you and start talking shit about things other then whats being discussed in the forum..go ahead and get mad because i think its funny...i hope you dont disrespect pples n/a four cylinders like that in person....cuz one day someones gunna lay you out and im gunna laugh if i find out about it....if its not me doing it of course

 

Im done with this, C4, you really need to open your eyes. Because you cannot admit that these 4 bangers are coming up in the world. We just trying to go fast just like you, and because of your PRIDE, you cannot admit that. That is a shame man

 

^ So build your N/A (i say N/A because that's what he is referring to, not turbo 4cylinders) honda and race him.... i think you're the one letting pride blind you.

 

what are you talking about, In no way, shape, or form, I said that a NA Honda could beat his vette. I was implying that you can make a NA Honda fast.

 

i need to open my eyes, most import guys need to expirence power and speed then come tell me your car is fast. i have a garage full of 10 sec or less vehicles. my understanding of speed is different then yours. you want to feel how fast 167whp is. my bike will do 0-100 before you can shit your pants

i have .998Liter engine that makes damn near 200hp and 90fllbs of torque at the crank. i understand how technology can increase hp. its twice ad important in the motorcycles world...power to weight is what bikes are centered around.

i have no problem with I4 turbo cars. i understand the potential turbo cars have. i have no problem admitting that and i alredy did.
here is somthing for you to chew, when your goal is to swap in another N/A motor its a waste. swapping for a turbo or anyother low compression motor should be the goal, because thats where all the hp is. this whole discussion would have never happened if the car was turbo charged.

as far as seeing the foward progress of 4 cyclinder engines well when your not making much for hp its easy to improve on. i think i read the new civic Si is up 25% in hp(to 197hp) this year. its not hard to make that kind of gain when you making 160hp previouly, getting more out of it should be hard. i like the increase in hp honda introduced, but we all know you can get more out of it when the top of the line RSX is caliming 220hp, and an S2000 is claims 250hp.
go back 10 yeas in the corvette it was a 300hp car. now they're 400-500hp cars...its on the same progression as I4's technology in general is making cars faster and its irrevalant to how many cyclinders there are.


As for my pride the first thing i did was state that both cars are slow. i think the Camaro is equally underpowered as the honda, but it has a better begining platform, and you can make it fast with out sacrificing all the comforts you paid for. "there is no replacement for displacement." its true in most applications. almost all fast turbo cars have increase displacement in the import world. Ex:AMS EVO has an increased displacement along with anynumber of fast supras(Titan) with 2.3 & 3.2L/3.4L strokers.

99% of the people in this thread have slow cars and point to others to prove a point and defend imports.

why do import guys always want to throw hands? beating people up when things get out of hand is what i get paid for.

 

I agree there is no replacement for displacement.
But just to clearify. The fastest dsm`s out there are all still 2.0 ltrs not strokers.
Even in the GM ecotech camp they use the 2.0ltr over the 2.2 or 2.4.
Most for the ability to rev past 10k rpms.