They had a titan on display at the mall as a promotional thing, yes, I looked up underneath it. My truck is not technically a one ton, it is the 2500HD, but is rated pretty close to a one ton, 9200 gross vehicle weight,(3760 payload) and again, rated to tow 16,000. My truck was 28k after rebates, how much is a 4wd titan? The frame rails of the titan musta been like 4 and a half inches thick, the friggin chevies are almost 9. There really is no comparison. The titan does have at least the same HP, but I make over 500 ft/lbs at just 1800 rpm, and still get 19 mpg in the city. The rear axles we use are the same ones dodge puts in the 04 one ton single rear wheels, an AAM 11.5 inch full floater. Look in 4 wheeler magazine(feb), they did a comparison and found it basically identical to the Dana 80 in terms of durability and construction. For reference the Titan uses axles based on the Dana 44 series. You cannot beat a full floating axle for durability. This is actually a pretty ridiculous comparison of a 3/4 ton work truck to a half ton truck. Of course the 3/4 ton is going to be more durable. The only reason it is quasi relevent is price between the trucks.

 

tampa... i would never be caught driving an import truck...all i was saying is that they r ugly.....insides r nice but the overall rating isnt that good...and its my "opinion" and i bet u have some pos and wish u had a titan. its okk....i understand i just dont see import trucks keeping up with domestics. i have drivin titans rams f150s and i think they r all good trucks just depends on what u like

 

Tony, the only way you get that much torque is from a diesel. Talk about comparing apples to oranges. And as you said you are comparing optional chevy equipment to standard titan equipment, how is anyone going to get a fair and unsqued(sp?) view as to the way each stack up against the other. Anyone can refuse to objectionately view the facts in order to make their own perception of reality seem believable and real. The fact of the matter is that one can not put a standard chevy against a standard titan and say that the chevy is better.

I never said that Nissan is here to take on all shapes and sizes of trucks. Hell, there are one off manufacturers that produce trucks to whoop any chevy. The point is that in the basic full size truck market(which is what Nissan is competing in) there is a new big boy on the block and he won't be pushed around. Yes, the truck will not be for everyone and to each their own; however none of the big three can deny the fact that the Titan will begin to eat up a large portion of their monopoly on the truck market. If you die-hard brand loyal fans of your chevy's and Ford's would take the Titan for what it is and look at the 'facts' objectionately you would have a tough time denying the Titan a place in your driveway.

Only time will tell if the Titan can live up to the expectations of loyal domestic truck owners. Also, Tony...the only reason you are able to get a truck like that for the prce you did is that they are having to give away their product. A lot of things effects that but if you look back at what i have said from the begining was that the 'price point' for the Titan compared to the other was much better. That is completely different from the manufacturers having to give huge rebates to sell their vehicles. We are comparing MSRP to MSRP not what one ends up paying for a vehicle because there are to many variables to draw any conclusive data from. Variables would be rebates, trade in valuation, the part of the country you buy the vehicle, differences in options of the vehicles, the mood of the sales manager that day, how smart or how ignorant the buyer is, etc. Tony, i'm sure you have a nice truck, got a good deal on it, and i'm happy that you like it. But you aren't being fair in your comparisions.




BTW,speaking of ignorant....Teh Wick, you know what happens when you ASSume. Well you have been making a few ASSumtions, yet i will not ingage you in your ignorant banter least you finish that phrase and draw me into your blissfull ignorance as well. So in the infamous words of TR, please drive on through.

 

Again, the only reason I brought it up was ya'll were useing payload and tow ratings to justify the truck choices, for the PRICE, not too much is gonna beat it. I'd take a chevrolet, even a half ton over the Titan any day of the week, chevy builds a more heavy duty truck, period. If you want nice leather interior and a fancy automatic tranny for the lazy types, basically a car that looks like a truck, by all means buy the titan, it's your money. And you are right, you cannot beat the torque of a diesel, but it is only apples and oranges because nissan decided to not even give you the option this year, which makes it a shortcoming for this comparison. For the money, there is not one thing the Titan can do better, so why buy it?? You do bring up a fair point about the MSRP, my trucks sticker was 32,800, gotta love end of the year car buying to get rid of the 03's, but as a general rule they cannot keep the silverado diesels on the lot..they sell pretty well, also 5 grand dumped into a titan won't do much. I do give Nissan props for useing at least a quality axle in the truck, it also did get decent reviews in the magazines.

 

For another reference, the chevy 1500 can tow up to 9100 lbs, this is with a 4x4, for the record. I have the 03 brochure right in front of me if anyone wants payload or towing information for any 03' chevy trucks. *shrugs*

 

Rear frame rail shot, seems pretty stout.

 

Tony, you seem like a fairly educated person so i ask you, would it be prudent for any manufacturer that is trying to break into a market to focus on the mainstream of buyers or jump right in with both feet and grandma and try to meet every truck buyers demands for a truck. This is the litmus test for Nissan to see if they can bring to the table an overall product that can compete with the power houses. I believe they can compete, just not in every catgory at this time. I highly doubt they will try to venture into the specialty truck market.
One more point, i believe that it was chevy that used a marketing campaign, for the previous generation of the silverado, of haveing a more rigid and lighter chassis by way of their new manufacturing process. How did they accomplish a lighter chassis? By making it smaller yet more rigid...this was done by tighter quality control at the factory.<--that was their new manufacturing process
Also, by useing a box frame instead of a C frame one can have a much more rigid chassis with a smaller frame. Lighter and more structerally sound...sounds pretty good to me. So bigger is not neccessarely(sp?) better.

 

Well the payload on the weaker C channel chevrolet 1500 is 2123 lbs, and 3760/4000 (depends on 4wd option) for the 3/4 ton. What is the Titans?( I honesty don't know) Yes I am aware of the fully boxed frame that they use, ford does the same thing with the new F150, and in theory it is stronger than the F250/350 frame, kinda funny. I applaud nissan for thier effort, but they have some catching up to do with the Tundra having a headstart.

 

Bythe way, I am not that biased, if I was looking for a light truck, I would bu a new tacoma in a heartbeat because I feel thier light truck is better, but for full size trucks, if it doesn't have at least 8 lugs on the wheels, I will not take it very seriously as a truck. I hope you understand the logic behind that statement before you consider me narrow minded.

 

max.....stop being such a faggot.....everyone has their own opinions......


that's why baskin robbin's has 31 flavors.




if you don't like someone's opinion, they don't like your's either.....don't start a childish arguement.