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Old Sep 22, 2010 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hachibill
and make sure its not the gear in the tranny, those go bad all the time, speedo cable's hardly ever go bad.
i bet you thats what it is... how do i fix it? can i replace it or do i have to replace the tranny?
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Old Sep 22, 2010 | 01:37 PM
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can i ask what are your power goals? is this your first corolla?

what crank and rods are you getting for $250?

with a car that old i would worry about bushings, brakes, suspension, fluids before trying to throw money into it without knowing your goals
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Old Sep 22, 2010 | 08:55 PM
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I agree with above. 3SGTE or however it goes. I plan on one day building an All-Trac Camry with the 3SGTE simply for Civic-smoking purposes.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarykidd
^thats just normal shit, i looked over it and i see about $400 worth of regular shit that i need to replace. but after that im def going to built a 4a for this. i dont want to deal with dumb ass wiring swaps and all that stupid shit.

hks cams- $340 each
hks valve springs - $150
hks cam gears - $300
then i will rebuild the top end myself on another small port 4a head. i have the hook up for P&P from previously working at CCH.
the crank and rods will cost me about $250
another block from the jyard
the pistons will be the most expensive thing in the block for me. i dont even know which ones i want to get, i dont want anything more than 12.5:1.
then intake will be a 20v itb and adapter plate set up.

whole build will be cheaper and easier than swaping a 3sgte. then i have little shit like tranny and clutch, which will just be another stock trans and just a stage one clutch from a local custom clutch manufacturer. all in all i figure this build will be about 3K in drivetrain and $1500 in body shit.
your going to spend all that money to have a slow car? why?

grab a 3sge from a celica gt. $250 with accessories at lkq with core charge and crap. run a mhg and arp studs, buy an ebay turbo mani, decent used turbo, fmic kit from ebay, ms2 setup(less then $700 with wideband for this engine), some 700+cc/min injectors(this way they wont need upgraded again later), and a walbro 255lph pump. the stock internals should hold ~300rwhp no problem. and later you can build the bottom end with forged rods/pistons and the head can be p&p as well, plus they make cams, oversized valves, dual valve springs etc.. for the 3s.

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i dont want to deal with dumb ass wiring swaps and all that stupid shit.
shows your lazy and/or unknowledgeable. prolly both. even if you wanted to wire the stock 3s electronics( why when standalones are so much better and so cheap), it is stupid simple to wire in. you have to connect the b+, switched 12v lines, and some grounds. then the engine runs. maybe 6-10 wires to have it running. then to get the gauges working its another 3-6 wires tops. if you go megasquirt and build a new harness. you get rid of all the extra crap t hat isnt needed and can keep the stock distributor or go coil on plug. id go coil on plug myself, but if you want to keep it simple go with the distributor.

if your going to bother building the car, you need to do it right the first time. 4a is fine for a daily driver that you want good gas mileage from, but if your wanting to go fast, it is not the answer. its sooooooooo much cheaper to do a 3s swap for the same power as youd get doing all that work to the 4a. the toyota motor atlantic 4a's made a whopping 170hp. a 95 3sgte makes 245hp STOCK! doing a t3/t4 turbo with standalone on a 3sge should get you over 300rwhp easily.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:16 AM
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the stock 3sg would not be a cheap swap as you make it sound. First its setup for fwd and he would have to convert it to rwd. So without the bellhousing and tranny he ain't going anywhere. A person who is looking for an inexpensive way to add hp and not willing to do wiring,etc is not really serious. My advice is do some research, there is alot of options out there. Also check out club4ag as there will be many 86 owners and their setups
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:40 AM
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w58's are dirt cheap and a dime a dozen. the bh isnt that hard to come by either. he said $3k for drive train. i could do a turbo 3sge rwd swap for less then that. only thing he'd really have to worry about is the intake manifold, though to get started, there is an 88 alltrac at lkq in clearwater that has the alltrac intake on it. it comes across the valve covers instead of pointing at the rear of the engine so would work and will cost what, $30? only other thing is motor mounts, but there are people on club4qag that sell them if he cant make them himself and doesnt know anyone that can weld etc...
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:52 AM
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well as far as wiring if he didnt want to deal with it he could always get with Dr.Tweak he is a pro at wiring conversions and is very reasonable
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarykidd
^thats just normal shit, i looked over it and i see about $400 worth of regular shit that i need to replace. but after that im def going to built a 4a for this. i dont want to deal with dumb ass wiring swaps and all that stupid shit.

hks cams- $340 each
hks valve springs - $150
hks cam gears - $300
then i will rebuild the top end myself on another small port 4a head. i have the hook up for P&P from previously working at CCH.
the crank and rods will cost me about $250
another block from the jyard
the pistons will be the most expensive thing in the block for me. i dont even know which ones i want to get, i dont want anything more than 12.5:1.
then intake will be a 20v itb and adapter plate set up.

whole build will be cheaper and easier than swaping a 3sgte. then i have little shit like tranny and clutch, which will just be another stock trans and just a stage one clutch from a local custom clutch manufacturer. all in all i figure this build will be about 3K in drivetrain and $1500 in body shit.
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Originally Posted by ninja999
can i ask what are your power goals? is this your first corolla?

what crank and rods are you getting for $250?

with a car that old i would worry about bushings, brakes, suspension, fluids before trying to throw money into it without knowing your goals

power goals are 200hp N/A. and ive found 20v cranks and rods for 200-??? on ebay.

the bushing kit is the first thing im doing, its $109 for a full poly kit, then like i said it has like $400 worth of shit that needs to be replaced. that shit will be dont in like a month. i need new wheel bearings, one strut mount, the breaks are fine, and a few seals to get shit to stop leaking. thats it. the car seams pretty solid for its age. alot of shit has been replaced allready.
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i allready picked out the cams, hks 272 and the hks springs to go with it.

i do not want to deal with swaps, ive done my fair share of swaps and its nothing but a pain in the ass to finally get going. i want to build a seprate 4age and direct bolt it in. i love the 4a and the after market support is outstanding. now if anybody knows of a good powerplant swap that doesnt involve manufacturing mounts and modifying wiring, let me know. i dont want this car sitting around for 8 months trying to figure some dumb ass wiring shit. lol
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