the only example no shoes set was how to get kicked off a track for refusing to wear shoes and long pants and have a bad attatude about it and how to do the worlds uglyist installs ever.

 

thats how the man races, if it works for him let it......and as for ugly installs.......were we talking about performance or cosmetics? seems like you have alot of aggression and hate for people......

Rob

 

Noshoes ran an 11.89 on a fully built engine from the crank to the valve springs, with a ct20b on c16 race gas, 23psi of boost, drag slicks, and with near perfect driving.

Once I get an intercooler and water injection I will shoot to duplicate that. In the end I will have spent a lot less, AND I would not have to set one foot on the dyno. Do you know how much time noshoes spent on the dyno to make 320rwhp on that setup? BTW that engine didn't last either.

I am pretty sure j&h put a better head gasket on his engine, that is what I mean by unopened. Nothing done to the internals of the engine. The headgasket is one of the many weak links of the gen 2. Why waste the money building up the head and replacing the head gasket and tuning the ecu when you can get an engine from the factory with all these things in place?

To call someone dumb for doing a Gen 3 swap over a Gen 2 is wrong.

 

its agenst the rules. you have to have shoes on to go to the track.

anyhow just telling it how it is.

 

I was just repeating what I read from his post when I said he had an unopened engine. I read through his mod list and didnt see a hg replacement. Also I didnt think that replacing the hg was expensive or time consuming mod, or that when you replaced the hg it was considered headwork. I was using his car as a documented 2 that ran 20psi on a stock bottom end, but Ive aslo read of many other 2s that were running 20psi easily. When did someone say that buying a gen3 was stupid?

Also if Noshoes would have upgraded his turbo his et would have been much lower. Im pretty sure he didnt so he could have the lowest ct20b times. if hes advertising the fastest et with a ct20b I dont think that a gen3 would be able to do basic mods and match it.

 

oh yea I forgot I stopped arguing b4 so we could stop hijacking this poor guys thread.

 

So how light is "lightest possible" according to you guys??


The lightest I've heard is 2397 lbs for an E-stock legal car. Mine's portly at 2557.

 

We shall see. I challenge anyone with a Gen 2 to run 20psi at the track on 5 runs, just don't blame me when the headgasket or number 3 gives out.

I respect your guys thoughts, I just don't appreciate someone saying it's not worth the money to sell the Gen 2 and get a Gen 3, because that is what I did. I can tell you that if I stuck with building up the Gen 2 to get my goal of low 12 second passes, and a nice road race car, I would still be trying to get it to work, and be out of a lot of extra dough. I telling you guys this from experience.

I am not doubting the bottem end can hold 20psi, hell it can handle 30! But the stock HG on the Gen 2 is inferior for performance. The Gen 2 head design is inferior for performance. TVIS is inferior for performance.

 

I think what it comes down to with the gen3 versus gen2 debate is that the gen2 "can" run fast times with little mods, but the gen3 "does" run fast with little mods. The point of the gen3 is the head start you get right out of the box. No matter what you do to a gen2, it will not/cannot be a gen3 unless you literally swap the head. Sure some people run damn fast times with a gen2, but the fastest mr2 and celicas in existance are gen3's. The highest hp mr2 in the world is a gen3. There are reasons that the Hux's, Talent, and Mike Colon went with a gen3.

Read through the list of differences I posted between the gen2 and gen3. We're not just talking bolt-ons here. Think about what it would cost to change your intake and exhaust manifold, and turbo...then add injectors, and some kind of aftermarket ECU to control it, and hours on the dyno and you have a LOT more $ invested than what a gen3 would cost you. Don't get me wrong, the gen2 rocks, and is a great platform, but after years of research, I have concluded that the gen3 is a bargain for the performance it brings...but that is just my opinion so to quote a great philosopher, "to each his own."

 

I didnt know that the heads were so dif... I was planning on p&p the gen2 head anyways if thats the route I chose.