HELP car died and now wont start HELP
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yes im going to agree with him..its probablly a bad ground i had the same thing on my gsr..look in the engine bay for a bad ground.. the dizzy and the motor are grounded just like efkid 525 said..i would have thought the relay to but u changed it so..im telling u its a bad ground..
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ok...break the situation down
you basically have three issues that you know about.
possibly caused by the same problem
1.) the car died= something missing from fuel, spark, timing
2.) the car won't crank= power, ground, or signal missing or failed starter
3.)the car will not push start= probably the same as #1
so considering that the three issues all came along at the same time, most likely caused by the same single problem.
the easiest to diag is the starter issue...the starter doesn't have anything to do with the PCM, the main relay, the fuel pump, the distributor or alot of the things that the running issue could be.
you said that the dash lights come on when you turn the key to the on position...so power is arriving at the ignition switch
the starter has two wires going to it....the power from the battery and the signal wire from the ignition switch
now, the power wire comes straight from the battery (even if you relocated it)
the signal wire comes from the ignition switch.
the fact that the starter clicks means that the signal is getting to the starter.
so the issue is the power to the starter or the ground to the starter.
but there is no ground wire to the starter....right?
the ground path for the starter runs from the body of the car to the engine...hey. the distributor and the pcm are grounded to the motor too....maybe that is where you need to start looking
ok...break the situation down
you basically have three issues that you know about.
possibly caused by the same problem
1.) the car died= something missing from fuel, spark, timing
2.) the car won't crank= power, ground, or signal missing or failed starter
3.)the car will not push start= probably the same as #1
so considering that the three issues all came along at the same time, most likely caused by the same single problem.
the easiest to diag is the starter issue...the starter doesn't have anything to do with the PCM, the main relay, the fuel pump, the distributor or alot of the things that the running issue could be.
you said that the dash lights come on when you turn the key to the on position...so power is arriving at the ignition switch
the starter has two wires going to it....the power from the battery and the signal wire from the ignition switch
now, the power wire comes straight from the battery (even if you relocated it)
the signal wire comes from the ignition switch.
the fact that the starter clicks means that the signal is getting to the starter.
so the issue is the power to the starter or the ground to the starter.
but there is no ground wire to the starter....right?
the ground path for the starter runs from the body of the car to the engine...hey. the distributor and the pcm are grounded to the motor too....maybe that is where you need to start looking
crank= the engagement of the starter... as the starter motor "cranks"the engine.
start= the begining process of "run"...start begings with "crank" and ends with "run"
run= the process of the engine continuing the hold rotations throught the process of internal combustion
"turn over"= this is what i call it when somebody has gone off road and rolled the car onto the roof ...as in "the car turned over"..also see rolled over
as flatrex said the distributor and main relay can cause it to not run but have nothing to do with the fact it won't crank.
when you tried to crank the car, i told you to turn the headlights on at the same time and see if they dimmed down...you said that they did not dim at all. this means that the battery does have sufficent charge and that the starter is not using any of it. If the motor had siezed, the starter would be working its ass off trying to crank the motor and the headlights would have dimmed drastically.
not mentioned in the original post was the fact that this car has the battery relocated to the back and most of the under hood wiring has been "tucked" under the dash where the blower motor used to be. Considering the amount of wiring modifications made to the car, it would be safe to assume that the issue is related to one single cause...and the only location where the issues overlap each other is the ground on the engine.
check the ground wire from the engine to the body....it needs to be a fairly bigger cable (think battery cable size) and it needs to be attched to the motor and the body with a clean connection (scrape paint if necessary)
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