your changing up the facts man, and you need to leave us at this, cause i'm not asking anything from you, you need to pay ceejay his money back and an ecu like YOU said you were going to and thats that, all this will be gone after you do that, instead your making it worse on yourself man, i'm trying not to get pissed off with you and STILL Haven't asked anything from you. just be a man and pay your debt to ceejay


and the reason i still came down sunday is so you can HOPEFULLY get my car tuned right on the street!! and yes you talked me into doing it cause i didn't want you to look like an ass infront of the syno owner

and i did call you after my shit blew up, your phone went str8 to voicemail and i left a message saying thanks for the tune/ my motor fucked up and told you about the shit you pulled with the injectors

 

Pay Up Man

 

The green wire was a jumper wire for the Vtec pressure switch you didnt have. I told you the harness looked goofy, as it had Quick steal all over it. I said what I did 2 the ECU, U just want me to say I broke it. I have someone you need to listen to. after he posts then we can go from there.

I hate drama and U are right this is dumb. But Im not going to sit here and let U post "I think he did this stuff" about me, I hate it came down to this, I do. I would never ever want a customer say things like this, but its like U cant be wrong, or if someone else said it, then it must be true.. Im going to say it again. you were wrong in the way you went by asking me to help you, and you know it..

 

and i admitted it in the other posts. but you led me no choice by hanging up on me. thats where I drew the line. im trying to explain something to you and you just wont shut up. i raise my voice oin return and you hang up. what else can i do? let you get away with it? sorry not happening. lets not make excuses stop the he said she said bull shit and end this. i dont want any friend ship with you all i want is my money and ecu. how many times do i have to ask for it?

i dont need to listen to no one. im done. all i want is what you promised.... my $200 for the tune u did and the replacment ecu that is all. why cant you man up and solve the problem. there nothing to be said about anything if u do what you promised.there will be no more need ffor me to bash you. repay me and end this. i dont know how many times i typed that in this thread. just do it and end it man

 

Neal sutton for the win! this is a shit load of reading damn!

 

I don't understand why he owes money for an ECU he didn't burn up.. I'm confused after reading this whole post. I understand that the ecu burnt up, but like john said, how did the tune cause this? I'm not trying to side with anyone or make any allegations, just that I don't get the theory behind the ecu. -Ben

 

he did something with the harness and caused it to fry.
i just want whats owed to me.

 

In case you don't know who I am, I wrote a large number of the tools in use by "Chrome" and am probably without too much argument one of the people that knows the most about the software. I wasn't there to see the circumstances, but I can offer some technical commentary. Your claims are totally unreasonable from a purely technical perspective.

I get better gas mileage with O2 disabled than enabled. It is a very common practice in Crome.
PA sensor, ELD and other minor sensors being disabled will not cause a car to not run.
P28 ECUs do not have a knock board - you have to disable the knock function if you want the car to run. This is true of Hondata as well as Crome.
Nothing in the bin I received from Solero would make me suspicious about it firing up and running a vehicle.

I've tuned upwards of 200 OBD1 hondas. I've chipped at least that many more OBD1 honda ECUs. I have yet to fry a single one with a bad chip. I've yet to fry a single one with a bad program in a good chip. I've yet to fry a single one tuning a car, EXCEPT WHEN THE CAR HAD WIRING ISSUES. ECUs rarely die unless provoked. Main relays, poor grounds, bad injector wiring, poor harnesses. That's it. Honestly.

The "IAT transistor" John spoke of as being destroyed in the ECU is a very common problem - I see it all the time. You know what the cause of it is? The IAT sensor has the same plug as the IACV (Idle Air Control Valve) and PCS (Purge Control Solenoid). If you ever switch the IAT with either IACV/PCS, you'll burn up that transistor in a hurry. I've seen probably 40 or 50 ECUs with this damage, and none of them were "fried" - they simply lacked the purge capability for emissions. Not a single one were damaged to the point they would no longer run the car.

John asked me to look at the bin that he put in your GF's car. I certainly wouldn't run the car that way, and I honestly have difficulty believing that what I saw was the best possible tune (even street tune) for that car. BUT it also looked like just another Crome tune - not something that would destroy ECUs and/or cause trouble.

I'm not going to say that John treated you unfairly or anything like that because I wasn't there and I didn't see exactly what happened. What I will tell you is that what you suggest (namely, John frying one of your ECUs in the course of tuning the car) is incredibly unlikely. If called to court as an expert witness, I'd have to testify against the likelyhood of what you described even being possible. I will also tell you that if any of my tuning customers ever threatened me, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves a lot more than John has done. The way you are carrying on isn't going to help you get this situation resolved, and the assertions you make have no technical basis. ECUs don't just fry themselves.

-Dave (admin @ pgmfi.org - the home of Crome)

 

not taking any sides, just wanted to say this above statement makes me laugh....


whether your talking...
1. 10 degress ot total timing advance at atmospheric
2. 10 over base idle setting at idle (16+10= 26deg btdc)
3. 10 degress over the preferred total timing advance at atmospheric(roughly 35deg btdc)

none will cause a motor to spin a bearing. oil starvation or bad bearing clearances will cause this. excessive blowby causing contaminated oil can also over time.

just do me a favor and stop saying he caused your motor to spin a bearing

 

the car never had any issues before he touched it. car ran fine with the jumper harness, the p28 hondata s200 ecu and all. worked fine. all we did was rebuild the head. so why does wiring have to be done? why did he feel the need to start cutting and splicing away at something that was 100% functional to begin with? correct me if im wrong... but there shouldnt be. all he needed to do was burn another chip right? u may be a admin pgmfi but to be honest with you, him having you come in here and say a few things doesnt mean anything to me. it may be the home of chrome but it wasnt even supposed to be on chrome. the car had hondata on it and thats the way it was supposed to be. not converted and ditched. you may know what you are talking about when it comes to the technical part of all this.... but your not here, you didnt see the wires he cut, you didnt hear the excuses, you were not here next to me calling over and over and over again to get no where with him. most of what you said i already know. if you take any offence to any of what i have said, i apoligize. in no way is any of this meant to offend you.

when you try to get ahold of someone and leave them messages over and over and get no responce.... you get frusterated. yes i did threated to beat him up. and im not sorry for it. wrong, yes. sorry, no. i tried to do it the right way and talk but he hung up. he kept giving excuses and i couldnt get a word in. then he hangs up. i cant stress enough how long ive delt with this car just sitting collecting dust due to HIS mishaps.

he need to do what he said he was going to do and pay me back end of discussion. again im sorry i had to go 9th grade on your ass and invole everyone but its the only way he would reply.... cause obviously something else happend to his phone (excuse he gave me a hundred times even though everytime i saw him it was the SAME EXACT PHONE)