Don't take this personal, but exactly do you think it costs to get 250whp in a honda? I can take a DSM that I can buy for about $1500 and get in 12s for I'm sure $1500 more or less (a true DSM guy can verify this, or correct me if my numbers aren't exactly on). And how much boost are you going to run on a stock b16? That is where the turbo stock comes in to play. Not "having" to tear the block apart in order to have forced induction.

 

on a h22 or a b18 im sure you can get that kind of power for about the same price. the mitsubishi's are mostly 2.0 dohc or the vr4 that is a 3.0. when you think honda dont automatically think of the b16, the ls engines and even the b20 engines are quality.
if you have a person who knows what he/she is doing, you will be able to blow any stock turbocharged dsm out of the water.


china

 

point taken I totally glazed over that fact and I checked the srt-4 has a compression ratio of 8.1:1 so yes if it had 10.2:1 na who knows what it would do? but even if you could match both engines compression and boost, make both bottom ends to hold the boost, and lighten the srt-4 to about 2000lbs you still have a big problem.................your driving a NEON:o :o :o :o

I agree its a huge bag when you can say you are running 700hp in your camaro. but to me its an even bigger brag when you can say you run 500hp in your hatchback, on half the engine, twice the fuel economy, and beat the camaro in the 1/4.

I agree that imports are the best jack of all trades vehicles and as soon as the domestic market realizes that more cylinders and bigger engines aren't the best way to go then maybe they will deserve som props but until then Imports can do everything domestics do but better and then some.


back on topic though; figure out what you want, if its your daily driver I would stay with a smaller quick spooling turbo, lets face any compact car that can put out 300whp on the street is gonna be fun to drive and give the high dollar cars a run for their money.

 

example of a smaller quick spooling turbo?

 

Oh I know there are other honda engines that are larger and put out better numbers. He was just speaking of a b16.

And about being about to blow any stock turbocharged dsm out of the water; my point was that it wouldn't be stock. It will be running in the 12s with around $3000 into the car total. And not gutted. I just haven't seen any honda do that without a built engine and/or a good deal more money put into it. No knocking on hondas or any other make (being I am using DSM's as my example and never owned one) or anything. I just am going to stick with the my statement that hondas are not ideal for FI IMO.

 

+1
smaller turbo, t25 or like a garrett t3. larget turbo applications would include the big trim big housing turbos like the turbonetics t-66 and what not.

china

 

the b16 is still capable of getting awesome horsepower in my eyes. i didnt use your quote as an insult in any way and if i came across in that manner i apologize. i was just making the statement that people say honda and the first thing to come to mind is the b16 engines. there are pleanty of civics that run the b18 ls integra engines and i have seen a couple with jdm engines that ride out. my buddy has a 3kgtvr4 and i absolutely adore it. the thing is a beast. much love for all of the imports and the statement that i would like to stay with is: "turbo charge anything that you want, just dont cut any corners"

china

 

I couldn't agree more. My point was just that there are alot easier/cheaper things to turbo besides a Honda or any stock NA vehicle for the most part.

And about the flame comment, I think we're doing pretty damn good and being respectful unless I missed something.

 

+1 gazillion

and for the 250hp b16 that is stock bottom end, running 10psi, skunk2 intake ( cause stock blows ) and stock gsr cams, t3/t4 turbo, hondata.

no flame war here just puttin up info that we know and learnin a bit about somethings we don't, while at the same time tryin to keep another boost junkie from blowin his ride. its threads like these that have the most info.