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Old Oct 30, 2009 | 05:58 PM
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just want to point out that this thread contains another stupid gm/sr argument.
over a stupid little jap utillity truck.

carry on, morons.
Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28ricer
No I didnt say I have more money in my drivetrain than a built SR, I said i've got about the same into it as a properly done sr swap, as in just a basic motorset, fmic, clutch, radiator.. To compare, about $3k, engine/trans/clutch/cam upgrade, maybe 3500... for a 420 or so rwhp setup, with a NEW LS7 corvette clutch, a 6 spd manual with two overdrive gears and the ability to handle a hell of a lot of power, an alternator that puts out 155 amps, etc...

Uhh are you really trying to say the SR clutch and transmission are perfect ? Sorry but again at the levels of power i'll be putting down the stock SR transmission will be about as useful as a T5, and the itty bitty teeenie clutch is far from perfect also.
LS7's are NOT cheap. Most LS7 longblocks go for about 7 - 10k (depending on if they come with wiring ecu e.t.c.). You will make lots of power/tq with a LS7 right out of the box (i.e. stock) but it will not be cheap. Infact it may end up costing you almost as much as a 500rwhp SR (that is with more reliability and more streetable room to grow).
Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28ricer
No I didnt say I have more money in my drivetrain than a built SR, I said i've got about the same into it as a properly done sr swap, as in just a basic motorset, fmic, clutch, radiator.. To compare, about $3k, engine/trans/clutch/cam upgrade, maybe 3500... for a 420 or so rwhp setup, with a NEW LS7 corvette clutch, a 6 spd manual with two overdrive gears and the ability to handle a hell of a lot of power, an alternator that puts out 155 amps, etc...

Uhh are you really trying to say the SR clutch and transmission are perfect ? Sorry but again at the levels of power i'll be putting down the stock SR transmission will be about as useful as a T5, and the itty bitty teeenie clutch is far from perfect also.
"i'll have about the same in my drivetrain as a properly done SR swap" So are your saying that you will have just as much in your LS drivetrain as if someone built a sr. Cam upgrade is not part of drivetrain.


Your upgrading your drivetrain right?? But yet your saying your stock drivetrain will be more then enough for what power you want. So why upgrade if you dont have to.

No not at all in any means the sr clutch and tranny are great, they suck.

Originally Posted by Z28ricer
As far as turning out better, yes I know i've seen plenty of peoples swaps, they are far from ideal, but i'm not guessing on this, my SR swap ran great, an 8.33 1/8th mile on just a fmic, exhaust and clutch isnt exactly a slouch. However no matter how much time you put into an SR swap it will still have a spliced harness, from a RHD car reworked to fit the LHD layout, and i'll have a harness with no splices, but connectors, etc other than where multiple grounds or power wires come together, that alone makes it a better install, let alone the other benefits.
WE dont have to guess its facts we all know this. If I had the time and extra money I can build a sr harness with my spliced wires.
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Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:10 PM
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Z28ricer, why don't you just start your own build thread. Instead of bringing these arguments in other threads.
Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EludeR
LS7's are NOT cheap. Most LS7 longblocks go for about 7 - 10k (depending on if they come with wiring ecu e.t.c.). You will make lots of power/tq with a LS7 right out of the box (i.e. stock) but it will not be cheap. Infact it may end up costing you almost as much as a 500rwhp SR (that is with more reliability and more streetable room to grow).
I didnt say anything about using a whole LS7, im using an LS7 clutch, my setup, and what im stating is that my setup gets me my engine and transmission to make a 420 rwhp LS1 for about the same cost as an SR swapped in with basic mods (clutch, intercooler, intake, exhaust)

Originally Posted by drifthappy
"i'll have about the same in my drivetrain as a properly done SR swap" So are your saying that you will have just as much in your LS drivetrain as if someone built a sr. Cam upgrade is not part of drivetrain.


Your upgrading your drivetrain right?? But yet your saying your stock drivetrain will be more then enough for what power you want. So why upgrade if you dont have to.

No not at all in any means the sr clutch and tranny are great, they suck.



WE dont have to guess its facts we all know this. If I had the time and extra money I can build a sr harness with my spliced wires.
Again, since you still cant accept it, my statement a "properly swapped sr" as in a stock motorset, swapped in with the typical bolt on's that are done.

The transmission isnt getting upgraded, neither is the engine, replacing the camshaft isnt exactly rebuilding the whole thing with a forged rotating assembly, its a modification yep, but to take advantage of the already high flowing heads that are on it.


My build list for a 400whp SR included: cams, springs, retainers, solid lifters, bigger turbo, injectors, maf replacement, new pistons, intake manifold, 300zx transmission, etc, the list goes on and on.

My build list for my 420 rwhp setup: cam, springs.... you catching on yet ?
Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by osama tim laden
just want to point out that this thread contains another stupid gm/sr argument.
over a stupid little jap utillity truck.

carry on, morons.
This is not a argument over what one is better...... But thank you tim laden we will carry on.
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Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EludeR
Z28ricer, why don't you just start your own build thread. Instead of bringing these arguments in other threads.

I didnt bring my drivetrain into the arguement, drifthappy decided to bring it in, I merely used the weight I knew for the difference between the blocks, as a reference point when the SR vs RB weight was brought up.
Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28ricer
Again, since you still cant accept it, my statement a "properly swapped sr" as in a stock motorset, swapped in with the typical bolt on's that are done.

The transmission isnt getting upgraded, neither is the engine, replacing the camshaft isnt exactly rebuilding the whole thing with a forged rotating assembly, its a modification yep, but to take advantage of the already high flowing heads that are on it.


My build list for a 400whp SR included: cams, springs, retainers, solid lifters, bigger turbo, injectors, maf replacement, new pistons, intake manifold, 300zx transmission, etc, the list goes on and on.

My build list for my 420 rwhp setup: cam, springs.... you catching on yet ?
Thats was my point with this truck thread. Its cool to see this build then a sr swap with basic bolt ons.

Your sr sounded cool but you know you can do 400+ with just injectors, Big turbo, front mount, and a tune.
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Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28ricer
I didnt bring my drivetrain into the arguement, drifthappy decided to bring it in, I merely used the weight I knew for the difference between the blocks, as a reference point when the SR vs RB weight was brought up.
I said nothing about your drivetrain. I did not even start talking about your swap intill you started it.
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Old Oct 30, 2009 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by drifthappy
Thats was my point with this truck thread. Its cool to see this build then a sr swap with basic bolt ons.

Your sr sounded cool but you know you can do 400+ with just injectors, Big turbo, front mount, and a tune.

I dont see that being done on stock cams, and even if it is, thats going to be at an iffy level on the stock pistons, you yourself posted you are worried about cranking things up on your stock pistons, keep in mind being a reliable daily driver has been my plan the whole time.

My SR was great till the damn oil pump pickup end piece fell off christmas day I had just installed a GTIR turbo with s14 compressor cover, hks wastegate actuator, greddy suction kit for S13 with S14/15 turbo, and circuit sports outlet elbow a month before, really would have like to see what it would have done at the track with some injectors and a tune, it ran 82 mph on 9 psi, compared to 84 mph on the T25 @ 14 psi.


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