Wide tires, lateral grip, and you
Road racing? Zero
Honestly, it really depends what the subject matter is. I will say that I have been a computer programmer for 11 years (that is currently my profession as well). I am all about logic and numbers, the weak point is when you introduce human logic (oxymoron) into the equation. Those same principals can be applied to nearly every aspect of your life. All people are dumb, until proven otherwise.
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Rear brake only for use when front brakes squeak whilst slowing for hot bitches
Rear brake only for use when front brakes squeak whilst slowing for hot bitches
as much as these articles hold merit, anything more than 275 on the rear of an s14 isn't doing much. the guys running 315s are either parking hard, or running race compound with 265s up front, doing autocross.
i still think a balanced 240 doesn't even run stagger. i'm over staggered tires honestly. esp when people beef out the sway bars, these things just plow.
edit - with stagger, it seems you cant win. too skinny and it understeers and skids into the barrier. too much front tire, and it will plow. the steering system will hate it, and if the air pressure isn't right it won't react like you want. plus too many S chassis guys just throw on huuuuuuge sway bars and call it a day and that ends up hurting them (i forget the technical reasoning for that).
there is a huuuuuge old thread on freshalloy about this very topic. i may try to dig it up because it addressed some really good points about "what is too wide?", specific to the S chassis.
i still think a balanced 240 doesn't even run stagger. i'm over staggered tires honestly. esp when people beef out the sway bars, these things just plow.
edit - with stagger, it seems you cant win. too skinny and it understeers and skids into the barrier. too much front tire, and it will plow. the steering system will hate it, and if the air pressure isn't right it won't react like you want. plus too many S chassis guys just throw on huuuuuuge sway bars and call it a day and that ends up hurting them (i forget the technical reasoning for that).
there is a huuuuuge old thread on freshalloy about this very topic. i may try to dig it up because it addressed some really good points about "what is too wide?", specific to the S chassis.
Last edited by dan; Aug 5, 2008 at 07:44 PM.
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Road racing? Zero
Honestly, it really depends what the subject matter is. I will say that I have been a computer programmer for 11 years (that is currently my profession as well). I am all about logic and numbers, the weak point is when you introduce human logic (oxymoron) into the equation. Those same principals can be applied to nearly every aspect of your life. All people are dumb, until proven otherwise.
Road racing? Zero
Honestly, it really depends what the subject matter is. I will say that I have been a computer programmer for 11 years (that is currently my profession as well). I am all about logic and numbers, the weak point is when you introduce human logic (oxymoron) into the equation. Those same principals can be applied to nearly every aspect of your life. All people are dumb, until proven otherwise.
And there is still no reason to run this crap on a Street car. None what so ever. If you were going to take it to the track often and sometimes on the street than sure.
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Last edited by longfellow2; Aug 5, 2008 at 07:47 PM.
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Road racing? Zero
Honestly, it really depends what the subject matter is. I will say that I have been a computer programmer for 11 years (that is currently my profession as well). I am all about logic and numbers, the weak point is when you introduce human logic (oxymoron) into the equation. Those same principals can be applied to nearly every aspect of your life. All people are dumb, until proven otherwise.
Road racing? Zero
Honestly, it really depends what the subject matter is. I will say that I have been a computer programmer for 11 years (that is currently my profession as well). I am all about logic and numbers, the weak point is when you introduce human logic (oxymoron) into the equation. Those same principals can be applied to nearly every aspect of your life. All people are dumb, until proven otherwise.
but this part.
negates pretty much anything you've posted in my eyes.
SCC pulled 0.97G on a s13 with 235's. If the goal was to see who could pull a G with the smallest amount of rubber, you would win. However the car doesn't explode when you pull more than a G, just maybe your bladder
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Rear brake only for use when front brakes squeak whilst slowing for hot bitches
Rear brake only for use when front brakes squeak whilst slowing for hot bitches
as much as these articles hold merit, anything more than 275 on the rear of an s14 isn't doing much. the guys running 315s are either parking hard, or running race compound with 265s up front, doing autocross.
i still think a balanced 240 doesn't even run stagger. i'm over staggered tires honestly. esp when people beef out the sway bars, these things just plow.
edit - with stagger, it seems you cant win. too skinny and it understeers and skids into the barrier. too much front tire, and it will plow. the steering system will hate it, and if the air pressure isn't right it won't react like you want. plus too many S chassis guys just throw on huuuuuuge sway bars and call it a day and that ends up hurting them (i forget the technical reasoning for that).
there is a huuuuuge old thread on freshalloy about this very topic. i may try to dig it up because it addressed some really good points about "what is too wide?", specific to the S chassis.
i still think a balanced 240 doesn't even run stagger. i'm over staggered tires honestly. esp when people beef out the sway bars, these things just plow.
edit - with stagger, it seems you cant win. too skinny and it understeers and skids into the barrier. too much front tire, and it will plow. the steering system will hate it, and if the air pressure isn't right it won't react like you want. plus too many S chassis guys just throw on huuuuuuge sway bars and call it a day and that ends up hurting them (i forget the technical reasoning for that).
there is a huuuuuge old thread on freshalloy about this very topic. i may try to dig it up because it addressed some really good points about "what is too wide?", specific to the S chassis.
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Rear brake only for use when front brakes squeak whilst slowing for hot bitches
Rear brake only for use when front brakes squeak whilst slowing for hot bitches
why shouldnt you compare the two?
if everything is adjustable except track and wheelbase, there is no reason you cant make any car handle any way you want it to.
plus like you just said.
"scc pulled .97g on an s13 with 235's"
so with say a 255, which is a reasonable size, and can be had in decently sticky compounds, over a g is certainly possible.
and if you think there is anything where pulling one g isnt enough, then youre kidding yourself in my opinion.
if everything is adjustable except track and wheelbase, there is no reason you cant make any car handle any way you want it to.
plus like you just said.
"scc pulled .97g on an s13 with 235's"
so with say a 255, which is a reasonable size, and can be had in decently sticky compounds, over a g is certainly possible.
and if you think there is anything where pulling one g isnt enough, then youre kidding yourself in my opinion.
It seems you lack first hand experience and proves that you are just throwing out "facts" that you have read and in theory are true but dont take into account most circumstances. There is a such a thing as too much.
And there is still no reason to run this crap on a Street car. None what so ever. If you were going to take it to the track often and sometimes on the street than sure.
And there is still no reason to run this crap on a Street car. None what so ever. If you were going to take it to the track often and sometimes on the street than sure.
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Rear brake only for use when front brakes squeak whilst slowing for hot bitches
Rear brake only for use when front brakes squeak whilst slowing for hot bitches
And since you wont be taking it to the track much we can test out those G's on the interstate on ramp. You go on and on about wanting superior grip but you said it will hardly be on a track so what is the point?
So yea sure, then you can test both with my car which is more than likely set up completly differnt and see how it works. You have an amazing point.
I thought you said you were building your car? not throwing money at it. I didnt know DC was doing it for you.
So yea sure, then you can test both with my car which is more than likely set up completly differnt and see how it works. You have an amazing point.
I thought you said you were building your car? not throwing money at it. I didnt know DC was doing it for you.
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Last edited by longfellow2; Aug 5, 2008 at 07:56 PM.


