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Yeah, I would definitely look at production-side parts for the heat exchangers. ZR1, Ford GT, etc. When I first read about this, the only OEM air-water setups were in obscure Subarus and the then-current ST205. Now you can go to the local parts counter and buy parts OEM parts for setups that support real power.
Cooling with a heat pump is a pretty neat idea. I need to break out the thermodynamics book though. If Ford will only run it for 10 seconds or so, that probably means that it's not that efficient. But if you look at something like drag racing, it would be cool to have a system where you could temporarily use the AC to freeze your reservoir, switch it off so there's no power draw, and then have 20-40-60 seconds of super low IATs for your pass. An extension of that... use a Prius electric AC compressor dedicated to the reservoir and remote mount all that stuff. And then... leave room in the reservoir for drinks!
Cooling with a heat pump is a pretty neat idea. I need to break out the thermodynamics book though. If Ford will only run it for 10 seconds or so, that probably means that it's not that efficient. But if you look at something like drag racing, it would be cool to have a system where you could temporarily use the AC to freeze your reservoir, switch it off so there's no power draw, and then have 20-40-60 seconds of super low IATs for your pass. An extension of that... use a Prius electric AC compressor dedicated to the reservoir and remote mount all that stuff. And then... leave room in the reservoir for drinks!
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Yeah, I would definitely look at production-side parts for the heat exchangers. ZR1, Ford GT, etc. When I first read about this, the only OEM air-water setups were in obscure Subarus and the then-current ST205. Now you can go to the local parts counter and buy parts OEM parts for setups that support real power.
Cooling with a heat pump is a pretty neat idea. I need to break out the thermodynamics book though. If Ford will only run it for 10 seconds or so, that probably means that it's not that efficient. But if you look at something like drag racing, it would be cool to have a system where you could temporarily use the AC to freeze your reservoir, switch it off so there's no power draw, and then have 20-40-60 seconds of super low IATs for your pass. An extension of that... use a Prius electric AC compressor dedicated to the reservoir and remote mount all that stuff. And then... leave room in the reservoir for drinks!
Cooling with a heat pump is a pretty neat idea. I need to break out the thermodynamics book though. If Ford will only run it for 10 seconds or so, that probably means that it's not that efficient. But if you look at something like drag racing, it would be cool to have a system where you could temporarily use the AC to freeze your reservoir, switch it off so there's no power draw, and then have 20-40-60 seconds of super low IATs for your pass. An extension of that... use a Prius electric AC compressor dedicated to the reservoir and remote mount all that stuff. And then... leave room in the reservoir for drinks!
ive seen some drag guys put a coffee can, water jug ect. in the passenger floor board and have copper hose spooled up inside of it fill it with ice and then attach your fuel line to it.
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wouldnt you see more noticeable gains from cooling the fuel than all that work trying to cool the air for only a few seconds
ive seen some drag guys put a coffee can, water jug ect. in the passenger floor board and have copper hose spooled up inside of it fill it with ice and then attach your fuel line to it.
ive seen some drag guys put a coffee can, water jug ect. in the passenger floor board and have copper hose spooled up inside of it fill it with ice and then attach your fuel line to it.
You can store (or 'remove') a lot more heat in 500cfm of air than you can in 2000cc/min of fuel. About 10 times more, to be exact.
Coffee can BS is a waste.
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He's saying spend a couple minutes cooling a few gallons of water in the reservoir of the air to water intercooler, then going for a 10 second pass.
That would work. You'd also have to carry 100lbs of A/C equipment down the strip. They say 100lbs is good for 0.1sec. Not sure you could find 0.1sec from 20deg colder air.
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The A/C system isn't really set up to move the kind of BTUs that you'd want. That's why 120 seconds of cooling another medium (water) for 10 seconds of run makes sense.
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An air-water setup is going to be heavier than air-air to begin with. I'd just use a small res and big fan on heat exchanger to keep it from heat soaking at the line/stopped.
Or what Dan said. And make everyone's eyes burn as you drive by.
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