Correct me if Im wrong, but dont ALL turbos have a fitting for oil lines? I havnt seen one w/o one yet. And your right, Mistubishi did spend a lot of time engineering their cooling method for the turbo via water & oil because they were tired of fixing shit when people would abuse their car and not let the oil cycle through the turbo to cool it off. With water cooling implemented it allows the turbo to keep cycling water witht he car TURNED OFF because of the heat generated. The water will continue to flow through the casing until it cools to a point where the water no longer flows. I believe this is called CONVECTION where water can flow in and out of something with no mechanical means like a pump etc.

 

i had no idea that this post was going to create such issues between everyone but to elaborate on the OP, i currently have a hrc20g on the car, i am pulling the turbo to temporarily run an evo 3 16g just to get the car running while i am having work done to the 20g. now, as far as future turbos i plan on going to a gt35r or gt42r when the car gets rebuilt in a year. i do have a turbo timer, and i have never had my turbo timer set for less then a 2 minute runtime. i understand why the waterlines are there, and i am not a retard. i was just looking for others opinions on the subject and if anyone had some good advice either way.


but here is a good question for those in vote of keeping the waterlines...

if mitsu turbos (in your minds) require water lines to maintain safe operating temps, then are mitsu turbos unequall in quality to other turbos that do not require water lines? how do these other turbos function at equal if not higher boost with out becoming "time bombs"?

on another similar subject, why do ppl with 1g's take the egr crap off thier cars if mitsu put it there? obviously they put it there for a reason.

 

4drwhore- First let me begin by apologizing to all the other TR users for making a direct insult on someones character on these forums. I normally would not reduce myself to that level, however 4drwhore is an idiot and I feel that his stupidity needs to be addressed.

Second, I don't believe for a second that you know 15 people running 10's and under. Please support this bogus claim in some way.

Third, cavalierchamp is correct in everything that he has said, and your ignorant opinion, no matter valid you think it is, is wrong. Over long time periods, not running coolant through a water-cooled turbo will blow the bearings. You never addressed any of the facts that he stated about the heat capacity of water and air. Based of your outstanding grammar and spelling, I'm assuming that you are not well educated............If you wish to prove me wrong about your ignorance please state some data or factual evidence as to how a turbo can cool as efficiently without coolant lines. Because your claim is impossible I don't expect you to address this in your next post. If you don't attempt to disprove his statements then I will assume that you are in agreement with us.

You are also gay...........very very gay.

 

Turboteg - Ever heard of nabr? I am on there and I know alot of the high horsepower guys on there. Shep, brent, marco, buschur, vijay. I also know the titan guys over here in orlando, a couple 10 second cars here in orlando and even some tampa boys. So far you have not proven me wrong one bit in this whole post so how am I am idiot and stupid? The fact is I am right, multiple people with real world knowledge agree with me and you obviously have no clue what the fuck you are talking about. You obviously are missing the whole point here and are not getting that water lines are put on turbo cars from the factory to keep IDIOTS like you from fucking your shit up because obviously you don't know shit and have zero real world experience.

I ran a 14b for quite a while with no water line, never had any problems. Vijay ran a 50trim for 2+ years on one stock motor with no water lines, never had any problems. Then he ran a t61 turbo on one stock motor for a year with no water lines and never had any problems. The titan guys do not get their motors rebuilt every season and none of them run water lines and have no problems. Shep does not run water lines and also does not have his motor rebuild ever season and has never had any problems with his turbo's. Yes all these turbo's allow for water lines since 80% of them are garrett center sections.

Please go get some real world information and proof before you come back on here spouting your mouth it just makes you look like an idiot.

I am so right I have people agreeing on here who would rather eat shit and die then actually admit I am right.

Oh yea go get a life. I am too busy to worry about my typing a few words wrong on a MESSAGE BOARD before I go to my job at a surveying and engineering company as the head of the drafting department since I have no education and I am such a moron.

 

You did not state any facts in your last post, so let me thank you for agreeing with me. I also would like to point out that you did not try to refute the gay comment so I am now going to assume you are a homosexual. Because I do not want to associate myself with your kind I will no longer reply to this thread.

 

Figures. I showed real world facts through people who are on this board and in the real world of racing and you come back with that. How old are you, 15? You call me gay and I don't defend myself since there is no need due to the fact of people who are on here who have some common sense know the truth that I am totally the oposite and that means I'm gay? Like I said, Get a life choad.

 

What have we all learned from this? Dsmtuners will forever be retarded dumbfucks and I will give you my address if you want to prove me wrong either vehicle wise or physically. My coolant lines have been missing from my truck for 4 years now on the same 16g, and I beat the living shit out of it and give it a simple cooling . Like previously stated, coolant lines are not needed, just a factory insurance to save there own asses. Dsmtuners will forever be retarded dumbfucks and I will give you my address if you want to prove me wrong either vehicle wise or physically. Turboteg and cavalierchamp should leave now, people who go around swinging off the nuts of something they read on a stupid ass misinformation site should stay on that site and keep being misinformed because the obvious truth seems to scare you quite much. Every now and then, people like you come along, get proven wrong by 4drwhore and then bitch and call him gay because your a moron and cant come close to grasping what he has presented in front of your faces.

 

Some one lock this please.
The question was answered.
YOU DO NOT NEED WATER LINES.
It will never hurt to use them but in no way are they needed.
There will always be alot of bad info on boards like this and you just need to consider the source when looking for the right answers.

 

Department of redundancy department.

Get a grip, internet toughguy. I have been trying not to pick a fight from my very first post in which I "respectfully disagreed" with 4drwhore. Then, he thought he would be clever and demean one of my sources by calling the site "dsmtards," despite the fact that I have read posts by several of the nabr guys he knows on dsmtuners. I suppose that makes them dsmtards as well?

The only evidence I brought from DSMtuners was in my original post, in which I recalled reading a thread by a moderator (most of whom are assumed to be credible sources), who attributed his turbo's failure to the removal of his water lines a couple of weeks before. The rest of what I had to offer comes from intellect and knowledge of physics/cars. I have never claimed my point to be fact, but merely my opinion/argument. Knowing your personal experiences is very worthwhile, though.

Now that you've stated that your 16g has run on your truck for 4 years, that is probably the best evidence to be offered yet. In fact, it helps open my mind to your opinion--maybe I am wrong. It proves that one person has not had trouble without running coolant lines on his 16g, for 4 years at least, and perhaps that is representative of all turbos. Evidence like that is more useful than you expecting me/turboteg/the original poster to blindly follow what you say is God's truth about turbo cooling.

Now, getting back to the original question--and hopefully we can discuss it in a way that does not revert back to gradeschool...

Would it not be better to run both coolant lines and a turbotimer on one's car? Running just a big intercooler can sometimes suffice for preventing preignition, but is it not better to have a big intercooler and water injection as a safeguard?

My point is, some of us vent our bovs, and some of us run 91 octane in our cars, and they run like that--but is that what is best for the longevity of the car? It seems to me that it is generally unnecessary to do these things if the alternatives are available to us, and leaving coolant lines hooked up to daily driver turbos is no exception.