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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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No one ever does any build ups or shows them on here (I guess for good reasons) but I'm getting into mine pretty good so I figured I'd share the ups and downs with you guys over the next few months

I decided do an all motor lsvtec build since feb. of 2006 and thats when I bought my gsr head and I've fallin off track alot since then but decided to finally start finishing this bad boy up

If anyone has any suggestions or comments let me know and I am by no means a professional engine builder this is my 3rd motor build but first time doing it all by myself

Mod List/Plans

Top End
CTR Head
Skunk2 Pro1 Camshafts
" " Cam Gears
" " Valves/ Springs/Retainers
CTR Intake Manifold
CTR Throttle body
Golden Eagle LS/Vtec Kit
ARP Headstuds
RC 370cc Injectors

Bottom End
LS Block STD Bore
LS Crank
LS Rods
OEM Bearings*
P30 Pistons
ARP rod bolts
GSR oil pump
GSR water pump
All new Gaskets
Complete bottom end balanced

Drivetrain
CTR Tranny w/ OEM LSD
Exedy Stage 1 Clutch
Fidanza 7lb Flywheel


* means I dont have it yet

As you can see I'm doing the bottom end first and then working on the head when I'm done


Pictures
It all started with this






The Valve Cover was nasty so I painted it








Then I got this




















Water Pump


Oil Pump


Yes I like to take pics of EVERYTHING and the blurry pics were taken before I bought a new camera

I will update whenever I get a new part which will most likely be every month so bare me with because its gonna be a long build and this thread will end with a dyno graph and timeslip of hopefully 200whp and a 12 sec. pass


PRICE LIST
Gsr head $400
LS Block Bare $100
LS Crankshaft $125
LS Rods $10(I bought a complete LS shortblock for $150 took the rods and pistons and sold the block for $140)
ARP rod bolts $30
Type R Oil pump $100
Type R water pump $70
P30 Pistons, wrist pins, and rings $300
Skunk2 Racing Camshafts Pro1 series $569.53
Skunk2 Racing Valve Set (Stock Sized) $276.64
Skunk2 Racing Titanium Retainers $180.88
Skunk2 Racing Adjustable Cam Gears - Red $191.52
Skunk2 Racing Valve Spring Set $196.84
RC 370cc Injectors $180
GE LS/Vtec Kit and
ARP Headstuds $362.03(2nd Day air)
Exedy Cutch $230
Fidanza 7lb Flywheel $120
Passwordjdm magnetic oil and tranny drain plugs +
Passwordjdm carbon fiber intake $239.46
Every seal and gasket for the motor from Honda $68.61
Machine work( hone and clean block, put pistons on rods, balance rods and pistons, micropolish crank, balance crank, crank pulley, pressure plate, flywheel seperately and then all together) $300
Head work from United Speed World( resurface, pressure test, assembled, 3 angle valve job) $322.07


So far $4372.58
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 05:55 PM
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goin in that crx? 12sec is achievable..i dont know what my crx lsvtec ran..but its pretty much the same bottom end set up with stock jdm b16a head untuned(really rich)..it got down pretty nasty though mated with a jdm s1 b16 tranny...but i needed more...
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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looks pretty good, but you might want to scale back your cam a bit. The pro 1 skunks are basicly a stage 3 cam by most standards and probably will kill your compression. Stage 1 or 2 standard skunk cams could actually outperform the Pro1 in your application. You could go with a two-layer head gasket to bump up compression. I would say the Pro 1 are going to need better than 12:1 to shine.
Another issue with those cams is the valve/piston clearance. Don't know if your head is shaved or your block decked but lift is a Hella 12.6 mm on pro 1 cams, so I would clay clearances on the vtec lobes if I were you. Also be sure you have plenty of spring so you don't bind up - remember, that lift is a full .6mm more than Jun 3 cams.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 08:07 PM
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p30 pistons with GSR head should yield a 10.5:1 or better

The Pro-1's will not shine till very high RPM's in that setup but I have seen 220WHP with them otherwise though ..

I would recomend some high comp pistons if you can afford it . It will really make those cams shine if your decided on them ..

Glad to see my oil and water pump being put too good use
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 08:43 PM
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p30s with gsr head will yield 12:1 jap.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 07:12 AM
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The C-Speed calc is showing 11.9:1 but 12.2:1 with a two layer. Another calculator using comp height in the formula, says 11.86 with PR-3
With P-30 pistons and a two layer you are 12.5:1
Getting to that area where 93 octane starts letting you down, but with the big sticks, you should be able to keep your timing reasonable and not have to drown it in fuel.
If you don't want to live with the challenges, though, the smart thing is go with the lower compression and a bit less cam. Type R, stage 1 and stage 2 cams on your particular build are pretty well proven.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 09:42 AM
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I decided to go with the pro 1's from other people's feedback using a similar if not the same set-up so far I haven't heard any complaints and everybody that used them said they have a great powerband, but I pretty much have my heart set on using them

And as far as pistons I'm kind of on a budget/ wanted to do an OEM build so I chose the p30's as the highest/safest compression ratio out of all the oem pistons

Yup it's going in the rex which is also gonna get a makeover if I keep it
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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if you have info on others running the Pro 1 in that setup, please pass it on. Would like to check with your sources on tuneability of the cams, clearance issues, etc. It's a big cam.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Pro1's Review
Honda-Tech.com: All Motor: Skunk2 Pro 1's???
There's more but I didn't really put any effort into searching

On another note new goodies!!!!!



This is a dark picture




LS pistons= gayness



Oh and I'm gonna try to make this tech by showing how to do simple things like measure piston ring gap... as soon as I find the clearances
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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very nice setup..man if i did not build so many i would love to post up everyone i build cauxe i take tons of pictures of every build i do just so the person knows what they are getting
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