come to tpa and run will(slo_hatch....)

 

ok thats 350hp....if i had 350whp..come on now
im not sayin that turbo wont be faster over all..im buildin a turbo motor myself..lookin for 350whp...im just sayin..if two hondas with the same weight tranny suspension etc..and one was 230whp turbo and one n/a..in the 1/4mile i think the n/a will take it..even if it has a lot less tq..

 

while i think you make a good point, it comes down to the fact that the turbo car will have more torque, and what torque does is increase your acceleration.

so the car with more torque will have a higher RATE of acceleration, and therefore, will go faster, with the same gearing/weight/etc.

its a similar concept to having a light flywheel and underdrive pulleys and whatnot, they dont actually increase your power, but reduce your rotational intertia, so your engine can increase its RPM faster. torque has the same affect, but from the opposite direction: it increases RPM.

the equation is (torque) = (rotational intertia) X (angular acceleration)
so if you increase torque, and rotational inertia stays the same, angular acceleration increases.

 

the turbo car doesnt start out with that much tq though..it takes a min to build it....and while its buildin the n/a car is already pulling and into the hp range..and it wont leave the hp range through out the rest of the race..therefore it should win a 1/4 race..tq doesnt always win races..if that was the case..a 4cylinder would never stand a chance with a 8cylinder..or 6 for that matter..but that aint the case..it takes hp as well..and the all motor will get the jump on the turbo..since its power is there in an instance..and once it jumps and hits the hp range..it will have the same amount of hp as the turbo..therefore..the turbo wont catch it in a 1/4 mile

 

yea, like i said in my last post, i see the point you are making.

however, you are assuming a huge turbo, running at inefficiently low boost. on a maxed out tiny turbo, there will be a negligibly small amount of lag, and the turbo car would have an advantage.

if you are assuming there is a lot of lag, like u keep saying, then you have to assume the turbo is WAY oversized, cuz you would have the same power from a N/A car with the same motor. and, of course, a car running a horribly inefficient turbo setup is not going to be that fast.

as for your comment about "tq doesnt always win races" with the 4 vs. 8 cylinder stuff, i think you are leaving out the effective torque provided by short gearing, that many of the smaller displacement cars have. also, cars with bigger motors have much more mass and therefore, need more torque just to be even.

 

i do understand that..but even with a small turbo..theres lag..its never instant..like n/a..im not assuming its a huge turbo..but..can u show me a dyno where a turbo has made full boost by before 3k rpms?. thats enough for the jump..and just to maintain it with the same amount of power wouldnt be hard if no errors are made..

 

who launches a ~200 whp honda much less than 3k? if you are doing a street launch then sure, the turbo could would be at a SLIGHT disadvantage with spool time, but even in that case i think the turbo motor would prevail. but you are talking a 1320 race, which means sticky race track, and im assuming you dont mean slicks too...