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Old Oct 13, 2006 | 05:24 PM
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imo..it is worth it..u got more displacement then gsr and less cost..and way more powerful then an ls..i say research ..theres plenty out there..and slowly build it right the first time..dont half ass or cut ANY corners..and this is first hand experience talkin(not with boost but im workin on it and im kickin myself in the ass for not doin it right the first time and wasting a ton of money)
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Old Oct 13, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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thank you!, thats all i needed was a first hand testimony. and i do plan on building it the right way the first time, im not skimmping on anything, i dont have A LOT of money saved up, but im not going to spend what i have on second grade shit, im going to wait until i have all the money i need to build it the right way the first time.... thanks for your post...
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Old Oct 13, 2006 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Eluzzionz
imo..it is worth it..u got more displacement then gsr and less cost..and way more powerful then an ls..i say research ..theres plenty out there..and slowly build it right the first time..dont half ass or cut ANY corners..and this is first hand experience talkin(not with boost but im workin on it and im kickin myself in the ass for not doin it right the first time and wasting a ton of money)

wrong

Ive built combinations of all 3

You dont get more displacement frmo an LS VTEC, so i dot know who told you that.

Heres teh deal You want some good NA OEM power as in no after market parts Do a B20 or LS VTEC that will give you alot from OEM parts.

If yoru gonna boost a Engine you choose one within your budget. Now Seeing how the B18C block is a better choice to oil squiters and a few other things, Choosing LS vs GSR for boost Go GSR.Unless your on a Budget and wanna run a LS Block and a Vtec head. Now you can gain major power with an LS turbo without the Vtec. Ive been all three.

B20 Vtec
LS Vtec
Built LS
and a GSR turbo

and out of all of them GSR turbo was the most reliable and powerful. Again the GSR is fully built and the only Stock parts are the Block and head castings and crank.

B20Vtec was to see how much reliable power we could pull from All OEM parts with some more Displacemnt over the LS VTEC between the LS Vtec and Built LS the Built LS threw down more power.

The GSR holds down well over 450whp daily. the B20 was decent right above a ITR floated around 200ish hp the LS Vtec was a lil lower and the built Ls had the most trq. So from First hand Experience it all depends on the power and Drive you want. I prefer some low end power and the spool of a turbo hence we built the GSR and then i went to a Nissan... But again Its not worth the money trying to do an LS VTEC turbo. yes it can be done But expect to spend money to do it right and reliably. The LS VTEC was discovered out of necessity and enginuity to squeeze power ou of OEMparts that could be swapped from carto car. By no means it is beneficial to step down froma GSR/ITR block to a LS block and Slap an ITR or B16 head on it. I say thos two heads because teh GSR is all funky and hard to work with. Plus the B16 head is the closest to the ITR design actually they are almost identical. So if you have any more questions let me know. Ive done them all and can tell you from experience abot each.
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:45 AM
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well mr 240..how does it not have more displacement..the block usin the ls crank has 1834cc? and the gsr 1799cc..i know its not much but its something..also..yea it doesnt have the squirters which would be a given better..but ls/vtec is also cheaper..u can find ls blocks for nothing almost..and if u build the block correctly then wheres the problems...ive seen quite a few ls/vtecs with over 400whp..mtber has an ls/vtec on his site pushin over 550whp with stock sleeves..it depends on more then just what block and head..its how well its built/tuned..and i honestly dont think that the ls/vtec would be any less reliable....and it would be beneficial if your lookin for power thats very cheap..i mean..say 600 for gsr block...or 100 for ls. and more displacement..not much..but a lil never hurt for less money..
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Eluzzionz
well mr 240..how does it not have more displacement..the block usin the ls crank has 1834cc? and the gsr 1799cc..i know its not much but its something..also..yea it doesnt have the squirters which would be a given better..but ls/vtec is also cheaper..u can find ls blocks for nothing almost..and if u build the block correctly then wheres the problems...ive seen quite a few ls/vtecs with over 400whp..mtber has an ls/vtec on his site pushin over 550whp with stock sleeves..it depends on more then just what block and head..its how well its built/tuned..and i honestly dont think that the ls/vtec would be any less reliable....and it would be beneficial if your lookin for power thats very cheap..i mean..say 600 for gsr block...or 100 for ls. and more displacement..not much..but a lil never hurt for less money..

the crank wont add CC in the combustion chamber ass clown. the physical diameter of the cylinders are the same. Your just gonna havea nasty rod stroke ratio. If you use a GSR crank and rods and pistons in an LS block yoru wating your money. Now go reread what i wrote then youll understand what im talking about. Now again all those guys used Aftermarket parts and tried for ungodly HP. i said all OEM. Dont try and argue, this is all from hands on first hand experience.Trust me but do what you want its yoru money... i know what works and whats proven
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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I have tuned just about every combination. I enjoy LS/VTEC the most or blocks with 89mm cranks. LS's are fun but wont go VERY far power wise without working the head over (port, polish, cams, etc). The most I have been able to make with an LS was 317whp on a Dyno Dynamics dyno with a big exhaust leak at the exhaust manifold, slipping clutch and timing coming unsynched at 6600RPM. I'm sure if there were no problems it would have done 330whp - 340whp. The engine had Super Tech valve train, Crower 62404 camshafts, GT3076RLE turbo, etc. What are your goals? Just to have a fun Honda? If so just turbo the LS and call it a day
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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ok..for one stop with ur smart ass mouth..im arguin the fact that ls/vtec would still be a VERY reasonable way to go..its not goin to be unreliable..and its goin to produce a lot of hp...and its going to be a lot cheaper then a gsr/itr..if he goes the safest route on either motor..if he just wants a stock motor and boost..then yea go with gsr/itr...but if he plans to have a longer lasting motor..then a cheaper rebuilt ls bottom end and vtec head would be best imo..and rebuilt doesnt mean he doesnt have to use oem parts..as long as he uses a set of arp rod bolts..the motor shouldnt fail any sooner then any other motor..and id like to see a dyno of a gsr and ls/vtec with same comp ratio and turbo at the same psi..to see which is honestly better?...
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 09:00 PM
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Oh man. I feel a lock coming Need to calm down. It's the internet
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Alpha
Oh man. I feel a lock coming Need to calm down. It's the internet
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by flaco0018
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