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Originally posted by Scott
Wouldn't touch Eagle products with a ten foot pole.
Wouldn't touch Eagle products with a ten foot pole.
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Eagle is getting their materials from Asia which is crap as compared to other places where raw materials can be bought. Of course it is much cheaper so that is one reason for doing it. They also are having a hard time properly nitriding their cranks from what I have heard and Robert his witnessed first hand.
I discovered this while doing all of my research for my new motor. My very well known and respected engine builder Robert Fulco also gave me the same story before I told him what I had found out. He said he will not even work on the newer Eagle cranks anymore because the metal falls off in chunks when you try to do custom work on them. And since he helped Dodge develop / build their motor when they returned to NASCAR a few years ago and also built the Scranton Brothers motors I have no reason to doubt him.
Maybe the DSM guys are using older pieces made form the better material (usually U.S. made) or are not doing some of the custom work he is doing, hard to tell. But he told me not to bring him a Eagle crank. So I am not going to even bother asking about the rods and assume they are made from inferior product as well.
Go to there company website and look how many time you see the words "improved" "guaranteed", etc, etc.. This should clue you in that they have been catching flack and hopefully they have improved their product but I have my doubts.
http://www.eaglerod.com/welcome.html
I am going with a off the shelf upper end Scat crank that Robert is going to massage to his liking. I have not decided on rods / pistons yet.
I discovered this while doing all of my research for my new motor. My very well known and respected engine builder Robert Fulco also gave me the same story before I told him what I had found out. He said he will not even work on the newer Eagle cranks anymore because the metal falls off in chunks when you try to do custom work on them. And since he helped Dodge develop / build their motor when they returned to NASCAR a few years ago and also built the Scranton Brothers motors I have no reason to doubt him.
Maybe the DSM guys are using older pieces made form the better material (usually U.S. made) or are not doing some of the custom work he is doing, hard to tell. But he told me not to bring him a Eagle crank. So I am not going to even bother asking about the rods and assume they are made from inferior product as well.
Go to there company website and look how many time you see the words "improved" "guaranteed", etc, etc.. This should clue you in that they have been catching flack and hopefully they have improved their product but I have my doubts.
http://www.eaglerod.com/welcome.html
I am going with a off the shelf upper end Scat crank that Robert is going to massage to his liking. I have not decided on rods / pistons yet.
I would have no problem running an Eagle crank and rods.
Many of the top manufacturers (not all) get thier forgings from the same places. The differences in cost is usually in the inspection procedures and machining processes.
But of course your not limited to Eagle...there are other reasonably prices cranks...Callies and several others. The point is you can use a $500 block, $150 head castings, $300 intake, and $50 truck manifolds to help offset the cost of such a high HP build. Other things will still cost like the Big Stuff 3 $2200, turbo, intercooler and all the rest of the high dollar stuff.
Overall its a fairly basic setup that could be duplicated by someone with roughly a $15k budget give or take a few thousand.
Many of the top manufacturers (not all) get thier forgings from the same places. The differences in cost is usually in the inspection procedures and machining processes.
But of course your not limited to Eagle...there are other reasonably prices cranks...Callies and several others. The point is you can use a $500 block, $150 head castings, $300 intake, and $50 truck manifolds to help offset the cost of such a high HP build. Other things will still cost like the Big Stuff 3 $2200, turbo, intercooler and all the rest of the high dollar stuff.
Overall its a fairly basic setup that could be duplicated by someone with roughly a $15k budget give or take a few thousand.
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Al you dont get it. scott just hates anything Coastal tells him to hate. ;0
but it is good to see scott isnt instigating anything. now if this was a 470 rwhp forced induction ford, holly sheit! watch out! THAT is one bad mofo.... definately smash a 1300 + hp GM.
but it is good to see scott isnt instigating anything. now if this was a 470 rwhp forced induction ford, holly sheit! watch out! THAT is one bad mofo.... definately smash a 1300 + hp GM.
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Originally Posted by 1Bad00SS
What makes you think you could of keep up with me. Have you ever had that car on a dyno?
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Originally posted by gator
Al you dont get it. scott just hates anything Coastal tells him to hate. ;0
but it is good to see scott isnt instigating anything. now if this was a 470 rwhp forced induction ford, holly sheit! watch out! THAT is one bad mofo.... definately smash a 1300 + hp GM.
Al you dont get it. scott just hates anything Coastal tells him to hate. ;0
but it is good to see scott isnt instigating anything. now if this was a 470 rwhp forced induction ford, holly sheit! watch out! THAT is one bad mofo.... definately smash a 1300 + hp GM.
It's comments like that, that make me think some of you are still in high school.

But for what its worth I do all of my own product research (lots of it too) then seek the assistance of others to put it together since I no longer have the time or equipment to do it like I use to do. ( :o Yes I actually use to build my own projects do my own mods, many of which are still on my current car ! :o )
Sam is good about not trying to sell people on any one product and the question about Eagle products was never bounced off of him before making my decision. When a very well respected engine builder tells me a product is crap and he has seen it / worked with it first hand and I have already gathered the same info from multiple others sources I am going with that. If you have heard otherwise then you are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am too.
Between the material used, lack of proper nitriting, and questionable machine at times I am not spending my money on Eagle stuff. Which is unfortunate becuase there products use to have a flawless reputation.
Now once again, who instigated ? Riiiight.
yea i am not real smart. never did well in school like i am sure you did scott. right?
as for me i will stick with great products like Lunati forged cranks...maybe outside of the US
as for me i will stick with great products like Lunati forged cranks...maybe outside of the US
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Originally Posted by 1Bad00SS
What makes you think you could of keep up with me. Have you ever had that car on a dyno?
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Anyway back on topic if that is possible, quality high dollar parts where it counts, cubes, and a big snail are bound to make some big power so congrats to him.
Now I could post a 347 Ford with a low budget carb turbo blow thru that makes more power and runs 7's but I am trying to keep on topic.

Oh so once again, yeah that Chebbie makes some power now what do you think it will run ?
Now I could post a 347 Ford with a low budget carb turbo blow thru that makes more power and runs 7's but I am trying to keep on topic.

Oh so once again, yeah that Chebbie makes some power now what do you think it will run ?
Originally posted by gator
Al you dont get it. scott just hates anything Coastal tells him to hate. ;0
but it is good to see scott isnt instigating anything. now if this was a 470 rwhp forced induction ford, holly sheit! watch out! THAT is one bad mofo.... definately smash a 1300 + hp GM.
Al you dont get it. scott just hates anything Coastal tells him to hate. ;0
but it is good to see scott isnt instigating anything. now if this was a 470 rwhp forced induction ford, holly sheit! watch out! THAT is one bad mofo.... definately smash a 1300 + hp GM.
Actually Sam is very nuetral as far as I have seen. Scott is the only one with a corn cobb up his ass half the time. Although Scott you have been better lately.Scott...I have seen that carbed 347...very neat. But it wasnt done with a $500 stock block, stock intake manifold, stock head castings, and turned around stock truck exhaust manifolds.
Using those parts will save atleast $3000-$4000 dollars or more over having to go towards the aftermarketfor those parts. Making a motor like this more and more accessable to us little folks on a budget.
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