DSM VS HONDA thread!!!
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Well I'll say this. Take it for what it is.
I started my career in the automotive industry with Hondas. Over the next 7 years I owned 4 Integras, 3 CRX's, a S2000, and a Civic. In that time, I've broken everything you can think of. Diffs, axles, clutch master cylinders, axles, valves, camshafts, pistons, rods, axles, transmissions, rear ends, axles, rings, bearings, etc et axles. They were 3 times broken into, once attempted theft of the entire car. I've had them in all sorts of state of tune, from a 53whp 110% stock engined CRX HF to a 600whp Civic.
Today, I drive a 2003 Lancer Evolution. Its not a car without its faults or its problems. But in 3.5 years of ownership, I have only been stranded once - a blown intercooler coupling, caught me without any tools. Its been in various states of tune from stock to 350whp. I've road raced it, drag raced it, modified it, many many times over. No different than any other car I've owned. And I don't exactly baby my car around town either. The only things I've had fail on me are the sunroof, battery, and clutch master cylinder. Aside from the sunroof, the other I consider to be "wear n tear" items. The Evo's stock "problematic fragile clutch" lasted me to 50k, with 30k of those being my time behind the wheel. It wasn't replaced due to failure; rather I pulled it with plenty of life left in order to upgrade. Never had to use the warranty either, the one that Mitsu is so quick to revoke over mods. This is the longest I've owned any daily driver, or even longer than project cars that sat motionless for months on end. And it has been more reliable than any of the Hondas I've owned sans the 1990 stock CRX HF that had 180k miles on it. The only time I've been without my car is when I've scheduled bigger jobs for when I would go out of town. Never unexpectedly.
I'm by no means a biased car owner. I'm not in the least brand loyal. And I won't sit here and tell you that Hondas are not reliable, nor would I recommend my Lancer to most prospective buyers. Honda in fact builds an amazing car, and the Lancer has its quirks. But for the way I drive my car, the constant (but rarely excessive) abuse I put my cars through, and for its pro's and cons its a good fit for my style.
Your mileage may vary.
I started my career in the automotive industry with Hondas. Over the next 7 years I owned 4 Integras, 3 CRX's, a S2000, and a Civic. In that time, I've broken everything you can think of. Diffs, axles, clutch master cylinders, axles, valves, camshafts, pistons, rods, axles, transmissions, rear ends, axles, rings, bearings, etc et axles. They were 3 times broken into, once attempted theft of the entire car. I've had them in all sorts of state of tune, from a 53whp 110% stock engined CRX HF to a 600whp Civic.
Today, I drive a 2003 Lancer Evolution. Its not a car without its faults or its problems. But in 3.5 years of ownership, I have only been stranded once - a blown intercooler coupling, caught me without any tools. Its been in various states of tune from stock to 350whp. I've road raced it, drag raced it, modified it, many many times over. No different than any other car I've owned. And I don't exactly baby my car around town either. The only things I've had fail on me are the sunroof, battery, and clutch master cylinder. Aside from the sunroof, the other I consider to be "wear n tear" items. The Evo's stock "problematic fragile clutch" lasted me to 50k, with 30k of those being my time behind the wheel. It wasn't replaced due to failure; rather I pulled it with plenty of life left in order to upgrade. Never had to use the warranty either, the one that Mitsu is so quick to revoke over mods. This is the longest I've owned any daily driver, or even longer than project cars that sat motionless for months on end. And it has been more reliable than any of the Hondas I've owned sans the 1990 stock CRX HF that had 180k miles on it. The only time I've been without my car is when I've scheduled bigger jobs for when I would go out of town. Never unexpectedly.
I'm by no means a biased car owner. I'm not in the least brand loyal. And I won't sit here and tell you that Hondas are not reliable, nor would I recommend my Lancer to most prospective buyers. Honda in fact builds an amazing car, and the Lancer has its quirks. But for the way I drive my car, the constant (but rarely excessive) abuse I put my cars through, and for its pro's and cons its a good fit for my style.
Your mileage may vary.
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Well I'll say this. Take it for what it is.
I started my career in the automotive industry with Hondas. Over the next 7 years I owned 4 Integras, 3 CRX's, a S2000, and a Civic. In that time, I've broken everything you can think of. Diffs, axles, clutch master cylinders, axles, valves, camshafts, pistons, rods, axles, transmissions, rear ends, axles, rings, bearings, etc et axles. They were 3 times broken into, once attempted theft of the entire car. I've had them in all sorts of state of tune, from a 53whp 110% stock engined CRX HF to a 600whp Civic.
Today, I drive a 2003 Lancer Evolution. Its not a car without its faults or its problems. But in 3.5 years of ownership, I have only been stranded once - a blown intercooler coupling, caught me without any tools. Its been in various states of tune from stock to 350whp. I've road raced it, drag raced it, modified it, many many times over. No different than any other car I've owned. And I don't exactly baby my car around town either. The only things I've had fail on me are the sunroof, battery, and clutch master cylinder. Aside from the sunroof, the other I consider to be "wear n tear" items. The Evo's stock "problematic fragile clutch" lasted me to 50k, with 30k of those being my time behind the wheel. It wasn't replaced due to failure; rather I pulled it with plenty of life left in order to upgrade. Never had to use the warranty either, the one that Mitsu is so quick to revoke over mods. This is the longest I've owned any daily driver, or even longer than project cars that sat motionless for months on end. And it has been more reliable than any of the Hondas I've owned sans the 1990 stock CRX HF that had 180k miles on it. The only time I've been without my car is when I've scheduled bigger jobs for when I would go out of town. Never unexpectedly.
I'm by no means a biased car owner. I'm not in the least brand loyal. And I won't sit here and tell you that Hondas are not reliable, nor would I recommend my Lancer to most prospective buyers. Honda in fact builds an amazing car, and the Lancer has its quirks. But for the way I drive my car, the constant (but rarely excessive) abuse I put my cars through, and for its pro's and cons its a good fit for my style.
Your mileage may vary.
I started my career in the automotive industry with Hondas. Over the next 7 years I owned 4 Integras, 3 CRX's, a S2000, and a Civic. In that time, I've broken everything you can think of. Diffs, axles, clutch master cylinders, axles, valves, camshafts, pistons, rods, axles, transmissions, rear ends, axles, rings, bearings, etc et axles. They were 3 times broken into, once attempted theft of the entire car. I've had them in all sorts of state of tune, from a 53whp 110% stock engined CRX HF to a 600whp Civic.
Today, I drive a 2003 Lancer Evolution. Its not a car without its faults or its problems. But in 3.5 years of ownership, I have only been stranded once - a blown intercooler coupling, caught me without any tools. Its been in various states of tune from stock to 350whp. I've road raced it, drag raced it, modified it, many many times over. No different than any other car I've owned. And I don't exactly baby my car around town either. The only things I've had fail on me are the sunroof, battery, and clutch master cylinder. Aside from the sunroof, the other I consider to be "wear n tear" items. The Evo's stock "problematic fragile clutch" lasted me to 50k, with 30k of those being my time behind the wheel. It wasn't replaced due to failure; rather I pulled it with plenty of life left in order to upgrade. Never had to use the warranty either, the one that Mitsu is so quick to revoke over mods. This is the longest I've owned any daily driver, or even longer than project cars that sat motionless for months on end. And it has been more reliable than any of the Hondas I've owned sans the 1990 stock CRX HF that had 180k miles on it. The only time I've been without my car is when I've scheduled bigger jobs for when I would go out of town. Never unexpectedly.
I'm by no means a biased car owner. I'm not in the least brand loyal. And I won't sit here and tell you that Hondas are not reliable, nor would I recommend my Lancer to most prospective buyers. Honda in fact builds an amazing car, and the Lancer has its quirks. But for the way I drive my car, the constant (but rarely excessive) abuse I put my cars through, and for its pro's and cons its a good fit for my style.
Your mileage may vary.
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true he probley didnt have a good argument, but his remark was witty and funny, i gave him the rep points you were suppose to get
now is this theard over, we learned nothing from all of this...
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I built my civic for Drag racing. I put a Complete LS together. Stock block, pistons, rods. Stock LS transmission. Open diff. Built it fresh. Just turbo, and engine management. I have kept the same motor in the car for 5 years now, drag racing the piss out of it and just recently tuned it at 403hp and ran 11.0 and thats in Colorado where elevation SUCKS! I have seen so many DSM'ers go big and yet every one ive seen, runs 12s then blows up or blow up trying.
IMO I would have to say hondas can be a little more reliable. Lighter so they can run a little quicker.
Just my 2 cents.
IMO I would have to say hondas can be a little more reliable. Lighter so they can run a little quicker.
Just my 2 cents.
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her is my closing statment:
At the end of the day the more power you make the higher potential for problems you will encounter. on top of that the more power you make on a old ass car the amount of problems increases 10 fold.
most Honda's have an easy life untill someone buys one and starts making mild modification.
most Turbocharged anyting ges it's assbeat up fronm day one.
At the end of the day the more power you make the higher potential for problems you will encounter. on top of that the more power you make on a old ass car the amount of problems increases 10 fold.
most Honda's have an easy life untill someone buys one and starts making mild modification.
most Turbocharged anyting ges it's assbeat up fronm day one.
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I built my civic for Drag racing. I put a Complete LS together. Stock block, pistons, rods. Stock LS transmission. Open diff. Built it fresh. Just turbo, and engine management. I have kept the same motor in the car for 5 years now, drag racing the piss out of it and just recently tuned it at 403hp and ran 11.0 and thats in Colorado where elevation SUCKS! I have seen so many DSM'ers go big and yet every one ive seen, runs 12s then blows up or blow up trying.
IMO I would have to say hondas can be a little more reliable. Lighter so they can run a little quicker.
Just my 2 cents.
IMO I would have to say hondas can be a little more reliable. Lighter so they can run a little quicker.
Just my 2 cents.
Anything built correctly can be fast and reliable. most of us are working with very old engines. my frigg'n wire harness is so old I rmove a plug and it usually snaps off the harness completly lol
Last edited by Todd's90; Oct 20, 2008 at 04:12 PM.
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Well I'll say this. Take it for what it is.
I started my career in the automotive industry with Hondas. Over the next 7 years I owned 4 Integras, 3 CRX's, a S2000, and a Civic. In that time, I've broken everything you can think of. Diffs, axles, clutch master cylinders, axles, valves, camshafts, pistons, rods, axles, transmissions, rear ends, axles, rings, bearings, etc et axles. They were 3 times broken into, once attempted theft of the entire car. I've had them in all sorts of state of tune, from a 53whp 110% stock engined CRX HF to a 600whp Civic.
Today, I drive a 2003 Lancer Evolution. Its not a car without its faults or its problems. But in 3.5 years of ownership, I have only been stranded once - a blown intercooler coupling, caught me without any tools. Its been in various states of tune from stock to 350whp. I've road raced it, drag raced it, modified it, many many times over. No different than any other car I've owned. And I don't exactly baby my car around town either. The only things I've had fail on me are the sunroof, battery, and clutch master cylinder. Aside from the sunroof, the other I consider to be "wear n tear" items. The Evo's stock "problematic fragile clutch" lasted me to 50k, with 30k of those being my time behind the wheel. It wasn't replaced due to failure; rather I pulled it with plenty of life left in order to upgrade. Never had to use the warranty either, the one that Mitsu is so quick to revoke over mods. This is the longest I've owned any daily driver, or even longer than project cars that sat motionless for months on end. And it has been more reliable than any of the Hondas I've owned sans the 1990 stock CRX HF that had 180k miles on it. The only time I've been without my car is when I've scheduled bigger jobs for when I would go out of town. Never unexpectedly.
I'm by no means a biased car owner. I'm not in the least brand loyal. And I won't sit here and tell you that Hondas are not reliable, nor would I recommend my Lancer to most prospective buyers. Honda in fact builds an amazing car, and the Lancer has its quirks. But for the way I drive my car, the constant (but rarely excessive) abuse I put my cars through, and for its pro's and cons its a good fit for my style.
Your mileage may vary.
I started my career in the automotive industry with Hondas. Over the next 7 years I owned 4 Integras, 3 CRX's, a S2000, and a Civic. In that time, I've broken everything you can think of. Diffs, axles, clutch master cylinders, axles, valves, camshafts, pistons, rods, axles, transmissions, rear ends, axles, rings, bearings, etc et axles. They were 3 times broken into, once attempted theft of the entire car. I've had them in all sorts of state of tune, from a 53whp 110% stock engined CRX HF to a 600whp Civic.
Today, I drive a 2003 Lancer Evolution. Its not a car without its faults or its problems. But in 3.5 years of ownership, I have only been stranded once - a blown intercooler coupling, caught me without any tools. Its been in various states of tune from stock to 350whp. I've road raced it, drag raced it, modified it, many many times over. No different than any other car I've owned. And I don't exactly baby my car around town either. The only things I've had fail on me are the sunroof, battery, and clutch master cylinder. Aside from the sunroof, the other I consider to be "wear n tear" items. The Evo's stock "problematic fragile clutch" lasted me to 50k, with 30k of those being my time behind the wheel. It wasn't replaced due to failure; rather I pulled it with plenty of life left in order to upgrade. Never had to use the warranty either, the one that Mitsu is so quick to revoke over mods. This is the longest I've owned any daily driver, or even longer than project cars that sat motionless for months on end. And it has been more reliable than any of the Hondas I've owned sans the 1990 stock CRX HF that had 180k miles on it. The only time I've been without my car is when I've scheduled bigger jobs for when I would go out of town. Never unexpectedly.
I'm by no means a biased car owner. I'm not in the least brand loyal. And I won't sit here and tell you that Hondas are not reliable, nor would I recommend my Lancer to most prospective buyers. Honda in fact builds an amazing car, and the Lancer has its quirks. But for the way I drive my car, the constant (but rarely excessive) abuse I put my cars through, and for its pro's and cons its a good fit for my style.
Your mileage may vary.
i think the argument is oldschool mitsu. but what do i know im just a honda owner lol
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