i dont it is more exspensive to produce, as it is from farm grown ,renewable sources, and from what i hear states that have it now are hovering the 2 dollar mark, which is alot cheaper then the 3 dollar premium right now.

yes..it is not as efficient as gasoline. But it has a very high octane rating, which you can use to your advantage by increasing your compression and timing, which can offset some of that 25% .
the point is you would not need as much to make the same power now.

dont forget about the biggest benefit. less and less dependency on foreign oil.

right now other dictators and countries control our fuel costs.

using only 15% gasoline, im pretty sure we can depend soley on our sources for oil.Thats what the most important point.

so what if you end up spending a little bit more to get the same mileage. the money you spend goes to US companies and farms, not the saudis or the iranians.

some of you out there speak like there is never going to be an end on our dependency on gasoline.

do you think it will be 3 dollars forever? Im pretty sure with all the politcal turmoil it will rise beyond what you could even fathom,sooner then you think. and our current goverment wont do shit to help you.

Im pretty sure as this catches on, refining will increase as so will storage capacities.

im all for it.

most of us on these boards will be more them smart enough to convert their cars on their own.

 

In June 2004, the U.S. Department of Agriculture updated its 2002 analysis of the issue and determined that the net energy balance of ethanol production is 1.67 to 1. For every 100 BTUs of energy used to make ethanol, 167 BTUs of ethanol is produced. In 2002, USDA had concluded that the ratio was 1.35 to 1. The USDA findings have been confirmed by additional studies conducted by the University of Nebraska and Argonne National Laboratory.

(Note Biomass Ethanol has a ratio of 2.62 because it uses stitch grass and fast growing trees/weeds.)

These figures take into account the energy required to plant, grow and harvest the corn—as well as the energy required to manufacture and distribute the ethanol.

The net energy balance of ethanol production continues to improve because ethanol production is becoming more efficient. For example, one bushel of corn now yields 2.8 gallons of ethanol—up from 2.5 gallons just a few years ago.

People also forget to factor in the economic benifits of planting, harvesting, local storage and transportation ect..

IMHO the only reason E-10 was so easily adopted by the oil industry is that they didn't have better alternitive to replace MTBE (a replacement for lead as an octane booster) which is being phased out because of enviormental & health concerns. And its cheaper that MTBE

Buy American! Go E85

 

www.e85fuel.com

 

From USA Today
In 2005, the U.S. produced 3.9 billion gallons of fuel ethanol and imported 109 million gallons, almost all from Brazil. By expanding purchases of Brazilian ethanol, the USA could curb what President Bush has labeled its oil addiction. But the U.S. imposes a 54-cent-a-gallon tariff to discourage imports and protect domestic farmers. American ethanol is produced from corn, which costs more and produces less energy per unit of input than sugar cane.

 

dont forget about cellulose enthanol, which is much more efficient to produce,

http://www.iogen.ca/cellulose_ethano...l/process.html

 

some company has pulled permits for an e85 plant in apollo beach and its suppost to use sugercane. who knows how long it will take for it to get built.

as for e85 being cheaper, its not. it cost more than regular gas. last time i seen it up north.

 

Doubt it. If gasoline cost $3/gallon why the hell would I sell E85 for $1/gallon? I'm going to start selling it for $2.40 (the percentage difference in mileage) and if it doesn't sell I'll drop it to $2.35.

But $1.20? Who would ever sell a compatible fuel for nearly a third the price of the competition?

 

because right now E85 has 5 gas stations, and nobody uses the stuff. $1/gallon is good for now, once we really start using the stuff it would defenetly go up, but then you will have more than one company making the stuff, that the problem with gasoline, OPEC owns the crap, and there is no competition.

 

i dont know where you getting $1per/gallon. E85 sells about the same if not higher in most parts of the country

 

like i said...it is marginally cheaper. it will get less mileage too.
but the benefits are beyond that. We can get off foreign oils balls for a change.

once america can establish a delivery/storage/supply system then it should be cheaper.

i really dont care if its the same price as gasoline. fuck...its 100 or more octane..just from the performance standpoint is good enough for me.

ill support it all the way.

like said before, gas is 3 dollars now, imagine when something erupts in the middle east to disturb crude oil supply.

5? 6? 7? a gallon?

OPEC determines your fuel costs, no the US goverment.

and there is lil they can do to stable the prices. they have their hands dirty in big oil anyways.

im tired of giving money to those fucking countries.
fuck them.

if brazil can switch over..why not we?