so...when are we getting E85?
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Originally Posted by BOB
Question: I thought the manufacturers were making their vehicles compatible because they were required to by law? I thought GM was just beating everyone to the advertising punch by coming out with all of these flex fuel commercials.
Fords had Taurus, Ranger and Escape flex fuel vehicles for a few years. My old Ranger was.
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The new (July) issue of Car and Driver has an excellent 6-page article discussing E85 and the hype around ethanol-based fuels. The bottom line is that corn-based ethanol will likely never replace more than 10% of the gasoline supply... unless we can efficiently learn to produce more cellulose-based ethanol which is still decades away.
Sorry I dont have a link for you guys. I would strongly suggest going out and picking up a copy or just stand at a Barnes & Noble for 10 minutes and read it.
Sorry I dont have a link for you guys. I would strongly suggest going out and picking up a copy or just stand at a Barnes & Noble for 10 minutes and read it.
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I read a really a good article on oil sands and oil shale. THere is more oil in oil shale in the west states than there is in the Middle East. There us a huge supple of oil sands in canada and in the Mid east of the US. Its still a bit costly to make, but it keeps coming down.
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Just found this...
Wal-Mart Weighs Selling Ethanol-Based Fuel
Source: Associated Press/AP Online
Publication date: 2006-06-01
Arrival time: 2006-05-31
By MARCUS KABEL
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. may offer ethanol made from corn at its 383 U.S. gas stations, a company spokesman said Wednesday.
Wal-Mart stressed it is not ready yet to make any announcements, but corn growers said Wal-Mart's entry into a market now mainly made up of scattered independent gas stations would be a significant boost to a budding new fuel industry.
Ethanol made from U.S.-grown corn has become a hot topic this year as Congress, the Bush administration and American drivers look for alternative fuels to reduce dependence on foreign oil, keep fuel prices down and curb emissions blamed for global warming.
The world's largest retailer brought together a group of industry, government and academic experts on alternative fuels in Washington last week to discuss how Wal-Mart could develop a network for supplying gas stations at its stores and Sam's Clubs with E-85 fuel.
E-85 is a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline.
"We are considering E-85, absolutely," Wal-Mart spokesman Kevin Gardner said.
"We are looking to continue to work with and identify strategic partners in the business community to further our efforts in the alternative fuels arena. That said, there are a lot of things we are looking at and considering and we just don't have anything to announce right now," Gardner said.
Representatives from the fuel industry, Wal-Mart suppliers and government and nongovernment experts attended the meeting.
The National Corn Growers Association was one of those attending, and its chief executive, Rock Tolman, said a decision by Wal-Mart to offer E-85 would help solve one of the emerging industry's problems: not enough availability for consumers.
More than 5 million vehicles on the road can run on the blend and car manufacturers say they are making more models that can use it. Yet the fuel is sold by just over 600 retailers across the nation, mainly independents rather than chains.
Tolman said the move would also increase competitive pressure on national chains to carry E-85.
"It would be one more significant, very big step in this whole transition toward biofuels," Tolman said.
Wal-Mart owns and operates gas stations at 375 of its nearly 570 Sam's Club locations and another eight on the grounds of Wal-Mart stores. Outside companies operate gas stations at more than 1,000 Wal-Marts nationally, but Wal-Mart cannot dictate whether they offer E-85, Gardner said.
Publication date: 2006-06-01
Wal-Mart Weighs Selling Ethanol-Based Fuel
Source: Associated Press/AP Online
Publication date: 2006-06-01
Arrival time: 2006-05-31
By MARCUS KABEL
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. may offer ethanol made from corn at its 383 U.S. gas stations, a company spokesman said Wednesday.
Wal-Mart stressed it is not ready yet to make any announcements, but corn growers said Wal-Mart's entry into a market now mainly made up of scattered independent gas stations would be a significant boost to a budding new fuel industry.
Ethanol made from U.S.-grown corn has become a hot topic this year as Congress, the Bush administration and American drivers look for alternative fuels to reduce dependence on foreign oil, keep fuel prices down and curb emissions blamed for global warming.
The world's largest retailer brought together a group of industry, government and academic experts on alternative fuels in Washington last week to discuss how Wal-Mart could develop a network for supplying gas stations at its stores and Sam's Clubs with E-85 fuel.
E-85 is a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline.
"We are considering E-85, absolutely," Wal-Mart spokesman Kevin Gardner said.
"We are looking to continue to work with and identify strategic partners in the business community to further our efforts in the alternative fuels arena. That said, there are a lot of things we are looking at and considering and we just don't have anything to announce right now," Gardner said.
Representatives from the fuel industry, Wal-Mart suppliers and government and nongovernment experts attended the meeting.
The National Corn Growers Association was one of those attending, and its chief executive, Rock Tolman, said a decision by Wal-Mart to offer E-85 would help solve one of the emerging industry's problems: not enough availability for consumers.
More than 5 million vehicles on the road can run on the blend and car manufacturers say they are making more models that can use it. Yet the fuel is sold by just over 600 retailers across the nation, mainly independents rather than chains.
Tolman said the move would also increase competitive pressure on national chains to carry E-85.
"It would be one more significant, very big step in this whole transition toward biofuels," Tolman said.
Wal-Mart owns and operates gas stations at 375 of its nearly 570 Sam's Club locations and another eight on the grounds of Wal-Mart stores. Outside companies operate gas stations at more than 1,000 Wal-Marts nationally, but Wal-Mart cannot dictate whether they offer E-85, Gardner said.
Publication date: 2006-06-01
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Originally Posted by Mars_302
I read a really a good article on oil sands and oil shale. THere is more oil in oil shale in the west states than there is in the Middle East. There us a huge supple of oil sands in canada and in the Mid east of the US. Its still a bit costly to make, but it keeps coming down.
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Originally Posted by John
ok, great, you just bought us 50 years - then what?
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"The genius of any slave system is found in the dynamics which isolate slaves from each other, obscure the reality of a common condition, and make united rebellion against the oppressor inconceivable." ~Andrea Dworkin
"If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." ~Henry David Thoreau, 1849
That's right, bitches, TWO quotes!
"The genius of any slave system is found in the dynamics which isolate slaves from each other, obscure the reality of a common condition, and make united rebellion against the oppressor inconceivable." ~Andrea Dworkin
"If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." ~Henry David Thoreau, 1849
That's right, bitches, TWO quotes!
