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4g63. Best bang for the buck. Toughest engine on the market. HP/liter unmatched. 140hp/ltr from the factory. Mod potential 1100whp. Sheps car uses a 1989 motor 2.0, 11/1 C.R. 56psi boost. A 7.0 motor would have to make 3850whp to match this feat. Very impressive motor.
I like the new 5.0 liter bmw v-10. 100hp/ltr from the factory. I also like the straight six M3 motors. The v-10 comes in a platform that just insnt going to see much as far as modding goes. The m3 engine is a proven beast. Much like the supra.
Not a big fan of american muscle. The new Vette is impressive when comparred to supercars. The ls7 motor is impressive offereing from the factory. But 7.0ltrs is huge. Its only making 72hp/ltr.
I like the new 5.0 liter bmw v-10. 100hp/ltr from the factory. I also like the straight six M3 motors. The v-10 comes in a platform that just insnt going to see much as far as modding goes. The m3 engine is a proven beast. Much like the supra.
Not a big fan of american muscle. The new Vette is impressive when comparred to supercars. The ls7 motor is impressive offereing from the factory. But 7.0ltrs is huge. Its only making 72hp/ltr.
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Originally Posted by Aoshi
The modular 4.6 is still a fav of mine, since it can put out ridiculous amounts of power and still be reliable.
Not sure why no one has talked about the new pentroof HEMI's, arn't some of those putting upwards of 450hp from factory?
Not sure why no one has talked about the new pentroof HEMI's, arn't some of those putting upwards of 450hp from factory?
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Originally Posted by lancerman
4g63. Best bang for the buck. Toughest engine on the market. HP/liter unmatched. 140hp/ltr from the factory. Mod potential 1100whp. Sheps car uses a 1989 motor 2.0, 11/1 C.R. 56psi boost. A 7.0 motor would have to make 3850whp to match this feat. Very impressive motor.
I like the new 5.0 liter bmw v-10. 100hp/ltr from the factory. I also like the straight six M3 motors. The v-10 comes in a platform that just insnt going to see much as far as modding goes. The m3 engine is a proven beast. Much like the supra.
Not a big fan of american muscle. The new Vette is impressive when comparred to supercars. The ls7 motor is impressive offereing from the factory. But 7.0ltrs is huge. Its only making 72hp/ltr.
I like the new 5.0 liter bmw v-10. 100hp/ltr from the factory. I also like the straight six M3 motors. The v-10 comes in a platform that just insnt going to see much as far as modding goes. The m3 engine is a proven beast. Much like the supra.
Not a big fan of american muscle. The new Vette is impressive when comparred to supercars. The ls7 motor is impressive offereing from the factory. But 7.0ltrs is huge. Its only making 72hp/ltr.
But I guess you could say domestic boys have the same thing, cept its just raw power, not some ratio. Lets see though, pro stock engines, 1250hp roughly, from 500cid. But if you want to say oh mine is still better, lets get some top fuel numbers in here. Lets see now, 8000hp out of a 500CID engine, thats 1000hp per cyl, damn, thats nearly what your little 4banger can produce as a maximum. Hell, this things blower takes more power to run then that engine makes. So, before you get cocky about your little engine, think about this big ones.
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Originally Posted by Aoshi
Typical import fan response, oh my car may have lost, but it has a better power weight ratio. Or, oh my engine may make less power, but it has a better power to liter ratio.
But I guess you could say domestic boys have the same thing, cept its just raw power, not some ratio. Lets see though, pro stock engines, 1250hp roughly, from 500cid. But if you want to say oh mine is still better, lets get some top fuel numbers in here. Lets see now, 8000hp out of a 500CID engine, thats 1000hp per cyl, damn, thats nearly what your little 4banger can produce as a maximum. Hell, this things blower takes more power to run then that engine makes. So, before you get cocky about your little engine, think about this big ones.
But I guess you could say domestic boys have the same thing, cept its just raw power, not some ratio. Lets see though, pro stock engines, 1250hp roughly, from 500cid. But if you want to say oh mine is still better, lets get some top fuel numbers in here. Lets see now, 8000hp out of a 500CID engine, thats 1000hp per cyl, damn, thats nearly what your little 4banger can produce as a maximum. Hell, this things blower takes more power to run then that engine makes. So, before you get cocky about your little engine, think about this big ones.
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Originally Posted by 25psi
In the real world noboby drives around making 1000+whp or whatever the "max power" of there motor. He is simply saying the 4G63 can make alot of power and take a shitload of abuse. and your 8000hp 500CID motor is a nitro-burner, they have a ~5000hp 4-cylinder nitro burner now.
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Now that GM has stuck with the LSx Platform for the forseeable future the aftermarket has gone absolutley crazy. At PRI this year there was something like 8 aftermarket head castings. There were 500 CI extra deck LSx blocks
6 bolt per cylinder World products bocks
Heads that flow in excess of 400 cfm
and a slew of other products all geared toward serious HP production
We will see 454-500 ci LSX motors with heads that flow better than most BBC race heads making 700-800+ rwhp NA in roughly the same dimensional package and weight as a regular LS1. Detune that and you will have 600 rwhp NA hydraulic cammed motors that still get 25 mpg and drive in traffic.
You can currently use a 6.0 iron block for just under 2000 hp and it cost $895 from GMPP. Or you can pick one up from a junk yard fpr about $350-450.
That block has gone well into the 6s at well over 200 MPH at 357 cubic inches and it was on a "thrown together" side project car..
Beside the LS7 427 ci Vette motor there is also a new 6.2 version that has the same basic heads just not CNCed. They may be the hot ticket to modify soon.
You can get a LS7 427 crate motor in the latest Jegs for $12900 which is not a bad deal for everything you get.
I believe every production LSX style motor in the current line up now uses the 243 head casting which was the 01-05 ZO6 head. They are a dime a dozen now. Replacement parts are plentiful and cheap. Just perfect for the weekend warrior.
There are lots of other good platform currently in production too. But the LSX platform is really making strides and should continue to do so for atleast the next 5-10 years. The longer the better for us hotrodders.
6 bolt per cylinder World products bocks
Heads that flow in excess of 400 cfm
and a slew of other products all geared toward serious HP production
We will see 454-500 ci LSX motors with heads that flow better than most BBC race heads making 700-800+ rwhp NA in roughly the same dimensional package and weight as a regular LS1. Detune that and you will have 600 rwhp NA hydraulic cammed motors that still get 25 mpg and drive in traffic.
You can currently use a 6.0 iron block for just under 2000 hp and it cost $895 from GMPP. Or you can pick one up from a junk yard fpr about $350-450.
That block has gone well into the 6s at well over 200 MPH at 357 cubic inches and it was on a "thrown together" side project car..
Beside the LS7 427 ci Vette motor there is also a new 6.2 version that has the same basic heads just not CNCed. They may be the hot ticket to modify soon.
You can get a LS7 427 crate motor in the latest Jegs for $12900 which is not a bad deal for everything you get.
I believe every production LSX style motor in the current line up now uses the 243 head casting which was the 01-05 ZO6 head. They are a dime a dozen now. Replacement parts are plentiful and cheap. Just perfect for the weekend warrior.
There are lots of other good platform currently in production too. But the LSX platform is really making strides and should continue to do so for atleast the next 5-10 years. The longer the better for us hotrodders.
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Ok so now i am going to be completely realistic.
mazdas Ft2 engine 190tq 145hp stock. for 400 dollars in mods it can get you to 315tq 270hp and the engine will still last a long ass time. Oh and did i mention the engine is in a 17 year old car with over 100k miles.
Hell my friend did the exact same mods to his car at 140k, he is currently on 195k miles and still running strong.
This is my personal opinion, not what the über engine EVAR is...
mazdas Ft2 engine 190tq 145hp stock. for 400 dollars in mods it can get you to 315tq 270hp and the engine will still last a long ass time. Oh and did i mention the engine is in a 17 year old car with over 100k miles.
Hell my friend did the exact same mods to his car at 140k, he is currently on 195k miles and still running strong.
This is my personal opinion, not what the über engine EVAR is...
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Originally Posted by Aoshi
Typical import fan response, oh my car may have lost, but it has a better power weight ratio. Or, oh my engine may make less power, but it has a better power to liter ratio.
But I guess you could say domestic boys have the same thing, cept its just raw power, not some ratio. Lets see though, pro stock engines, 1250hp roughly, from 500cid. But if you want to say oh mine is still better, lets get some top fuel numbers in here. Lets see now, 8000hp out of a 500CID engine, thats 1000hp per cyl, damn, thats nearly what your little 4banger can produce as a maximum. Hell, this things blower takes more power to run then that engine makes. So, before you get cocky about your little engine, think about this big ones.
But I guess you could say domestic boys have the same thing, cept its just raw power, not some ratio. Lets see though, pro stock engines, 1250hp roughly, from 500cid. But if you want to say oh mine is still better, lets get some top fuel numbers in here. Lets see now, 8000hp out of a 500CID engine, thats 1000hp per cyl, damn, thats nearly what your little 4banger can produce as a maximum. Hell, this things blower takes more power to run then that engine makes. So, before you get cocky about your little engine, think about this big ones.
If you want to bring an arguement to the table please bring some tech info that actually has some bearing. If your intent is to just rag on imports cause you have no knowledge of them. Then I will be willing to educate you anytime you are ready. Just get your fast 6,8 or 10 cylinder domestic ready. I will meat you in ocala anytime with my underpowered 4 cylinder import.
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Originally Posted by Silvia_San
toyota's BEAMS 1NZ-FE around 1.5 liters. 109whp at 6100rpm. let the flaming begin. Also the RENESIS in the Mazda RX8, not the greatest in that car, but still a great engine. The vvt-i 1jzgtte (i think it's still in production), and the BEAMS 3SGE (also i think still in production) i don't know a lot of the specs of the top of my head, but the renesis did win engine of the year when it was debued, and the 3sge is still an n/a beast.
Represent. - I want a renesis in my FC.
If Mazda still made the 20B-REW i'd list it but they dont. - Let's see a 20B-MSPRE off the renesis design!!!
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