Originally posted by blueboost
OMG back to opinion #1.

Originally posted by onemeansaturn
The kit isn't from rev hard. It is from Saturn Motorsports and now there is one from Gude. Anyways, I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but the Redline is underrated from the factory. Most stock Redlines are putting down ~210whp and 180 lbs/ft torque (not that it is much better...). Here is the dyno: http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/689286/2
At any rate, I don't think that Saturn did a good job to compete with stuff like the SRT. It was a good idea, it just didn't measure up.

Joe

Originally posted by type-j-spec
its ENGINE(not motor) to see what this thing can do.

Originally posted by saturnguy
Thanks!


Oh yeah, one more thing. There are three companies w/ Turbo kits out for the ION 2.2L ECOTEC. Twistec (who was the first), Saturn Motorsports and Gude. They all produce about the same HP.

Originally posted by type-j-spec
why did saturn only use a 2.0 engine and why did they go with the supercharger instead of a turbo?not saying you would know these questions just in case you might have some info.

Supercharged Ecotec 2.0L Specifications
April 26, 2003
The 2004 ION Red Line's Ecotec 2.0-liter supercharged engine, mated to a five-speed manual transmission, will produce an estimated 200 horsepower.

The all-aluminum dual overhead cam, four-cylinder Ecotec 2.0L SC engine is built off the strengths of the original naturally aspirated Ecotec 2.2-liter engine introduced in the 2000 Saturn L-Series. The Ecotec 2.0L SC has a four-valve cylinder head, maintenance-free chain-driven camshafts, counter-rotating balance shafts and an integrated oil cooler.

The addition of the Eaton M62 supercharger allows the blower to spin at a lower rpm, which improves durability and creates less noise while allowing for plenty of top end power. Power delivery of the supercharged engine is instantaneous. Maximum boost of the supercharger is 12 psi.

"We are extremely pleased with the outcome of Ecotec 2.0L SC," said Grant Brady, GM Powertrain system engineer. "We leveraged the knowledge of the Saab 2.0-liter turbo performance variant, GM Racing experience and the strengths of the naturally aspirated Ecotec 2.2-liter. With this launch pad, we designed our supercharged variant for reliable compact performance."

Global knowledge was used extensively in the development of the Ecotec 2.0L SC. GM has years of experience with Eaton superchargers in the high-volume 3800 Series II SC V-6 engines used in mid-size vehicles. This engine will also be produced in the same assembly facilities as other base Ecotec engines using common manufacturing processes and quality controls as opposed to being upfitted by an outside supplier.

Key components that carry over from the Saab 2.0-liter engine into the Ecotec 2.0L SC include direct mount oil cooler, oil jets for piston cooling, heavy duty pistons, stronger connecting rods, forged steel crankshaft, larger oil sump, sodium filled exhaust valves for improved durability, and a high strength aluminum cylinder head.

The Ecotec four-cylinder engine family is GM's first truly global engine family. The four-valve overhead cam family delivers excellent fuel economy and low emissions in a dependable, durable package with low noise and vibration. The Ecotec 2.2-liter debuted in the 2000 Saturn L-series and is currently available in the Chevrolet Cavalier, Pontiac Sunfire and Grand Am, Olds Alero, Saturn ION and VUE. It is also used in several European applications, including the Opel Vectra, Astra and Zafira models. The Ecotec 2.2-liter was recently announced as the standard power in the 2004 Chevrolet Malibu and a direct injection gas version of the Ecotec 2.0-liter will be available in the 2004 Opel Signum.

2004 Ecotec 2.0 Liter Supercharged Engine
Preliminary Specifications

Type: 2.0L inline 4-cylinder with supercharger
Displacement: 1998 cc
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Valve configuration: Dual overhead camshafts (4 valves per cylinder)
Valve lifters: Hydraulic roller finger follower
Firing order: 1-3-4-2
Bore & stroke: 86 x 86 mm
Bore ctr. to ctr.: 96 mm
Supercharger: Eaton M62 helical roots compressor
Intercooler: Water to air
Max boost pressure: 12 psi
Pulley ratio: 1.85:1
Oil cooling: Oil cooled pistons and direct mount oil cooler
Fuel type: Gasoline (premium unleaded recommended)
Fuel system: Sequential fuel injection with high pressure (56 psi)
Fuel shut off: 6500 rpm
Intake manifold: High flow, low restriction with integrated intercooler system
Throttle body: 68-mm electronic throttle control
Ignition system: High energy coil-on-plug
Horsepower: 200 hp @ 6200 (estimate - final figures in fall 2003)
Torque: (lb-ft): 200 lb-ft @ 4400 (estimate - final figures in fall 2003)
Spark plugs: Platinum tip (1.5-mm gap )
Oil: 5W30 / 7 quarts with filter change

Materials
Block: Aluminum lost foam casting
Cylinder head: Aluminum semi-permanent mold casting
Intake manifold: Aluminum
Crankshaft: Forged steel with induction hardened fillet
Camshafts: Cast iron
Connecting Rods: Forged steel
Pistons: High strength aluminum
Assembly site: Kaiserslautern, Germany

Source: General Motors

Originally posted by saturnguy
Thanks!


Oh yeah, one more thing. There are three companies w/ Turbo kits out for the ION 2.2L ECOTEC. Twistec (who was the first), Saturn Motorsports and Gude. They all produce about the same HP.

Originally posted by saturnguy
Your crackin me up! Oooh stop it! My stomachs startin to hurt

Originally posted by PhreakStang
dunno y this is such a big debate, its very respectable, gearing and the fact that it prolly has a way more restrictive exhaust over the SRT-4, the SRT-4's come with a very very good exhaust for stock, open the redlines exhaust, get a cold air kit on it, get some sticky tires on it, raise the limiter, and i bet it eats most hondas out there, if i wuz rich id get 1 just bcuz itd be funny as hell to beat ppl in it, just think of doing enuf work to 1 to beat mildly modded camaros/mustangs and vettes, imagine the look ud get from the driver...