So i got my first exhaust ticket.....
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Originally posted by Rogerdodger
thanks for the replies......i searched and found a whole lotta stuff on this subject and i highly recommend anyone who has gotten "hosed " like this...... that they do their homework and read up on Fla. Law. Roger
thanks for the replies......i searched and found a whole lotta stuff on this subject and i highly recommend anyone who has gotten "hosed " like this...... that they do their homework and read up on Fla. Law. Roger
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Originally posted by stale
What does a loud 300zx sound like? Just curious. Is it raspy and ricey or does it have a mean tuned sound?
What does a loud 300zx sound like? Just curious. Is it raspy and ricey or does it have a mean tuned sound?
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contact SEMA because they are spear heading to change or alter the laws per state .some are very vague and leaves it to the officers interpitaion. Great point about the lack of desibel meter
but your admission of the other offences may shadow your claim.
i think it was Matt or who ever said put the stock exhuast on prior to court .when confronted with the exhaust violation
state that the exhaust on the car is the same since purchase .
also it may be wise to get at least two indepent muffler or audio
retailers to measure your car's noise level and give a hand
written statement of their findings.remember that you were on a interstate and state laws apply .
state trooper pulled you over for speeding ..........
it would be easy for the officer to explain his position .
a) pay the ticket and contact SEMA about it . thay want to know !!
b) fight , then pay court cost ect.
c)make another crooked as lawyer rich and you still pay
THE SYSTEM IS A BIG ANIMAL BETTER FEED IT OR YOU'LL BE FOOD
but your admission of the other offences may shadow your claim.
i think it was Matt or who ever said put the stock exhuast on prior to court .when confronted with the exhaust violation
state that the exhaust on the car is the same since purchase .
also it may be wise to get at least two indepent muffler or audio
retailers to measure your car's noise level and give a hand
written statement of their findings.remember that you were on a interstate and state laws apply .
state trooper pulled you over for speeding ..........
it would be easy for the officer to explain his position .
a) pay the ticket and contact SEMA about it . thay want to know !!
b) fight , then pay court cost ect.
c)make another crooked as lawyer rich and you still pay
THE SYSTEM IS A BIG ANIMAL BETTER FEED IT OR YOU'LL BE FOOD
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If your exhaust is under the decibel level...
Get a notorized affidavit from a mechanic that states the decibel level and explains that your car's factory exhaust had passed it's expected lifetime and has since been replaced. Thus causing you to go with an aftermarket alternative.
Works in Washington...
Get a notorized affidavit from a mechanic that states the decibel level and explains that your car's factory exhaust had passed it's expected lifetime and has since been replaced. Thus causing you to go with an aftermarket alternative.
Works in Washington...
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Originally posted by Nikon
If your exhaust is under the decibel level...
Get a notorized affidavit from a mechanic that states the decibel level and explains that your car's factory exhaust had passed it's expected lifetime and has since been replaced. Thus causing you to go with an aftermarket alternative.
Works in Washington...
If your exhaust is under the decibel level...
Get a notorized affidavit from a mechanic that states the decibel level and explains that your car's factory exhaust had passed it's expected lifetime and has since been replaced. Thus causing you to go with an aftermarket alternative.
Works in Washington...
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Originally posted by Stealth
My friend is a cop and he showed my a list of violations. One is that "Your exhaust is modified to make it ANY louder than stock"
My friend is a cop and he showed my a list of violations. One is that "Your exhaust is modified to make it ANY louder than stock"
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Okay, the law in a simple form is you cannot modify an exhaust that is currently in working order. Say your exhaust was ruined when you backed into a curb and bent it and pinched it off. It was cheaper to get an aftermarket one because it is X amount cheaper than the OEM part. Then bring in the sob story “I work very hard for everything I own, and at the time I couldn’t pay rent, put food on my plate, and drive my automobile to work unless I had my exhaust problems fixed, this was a quick cheap fix†That works for the “why its modified†then say its under the 95 decibel limit and that the officer didn’t have a decibel meter so how can he judge that your exhaust is to loud.
Okay, the law in a simple form is you cannot modify an exhaust that is currently in working order. Say your exhaust was ruined when you backed into a curb and bent it and pinched it off. It was cheaper to get an aftermarket one because it is X amount cheaper than the OEM part. Then bring in the sob story “I work very hard for everything I own, and at the time I couldn’t pay rent, put food on my plate, and drive my automobile to work unless I had my exhaust problems fixed, this was a quick cheap fix†That works for the “why its modified†then say its under the 95 decibel limit and that the officer didn’t have a decibel meter so how can he judge that your exhaust is to loud.
316.272 Exhaust systems, prevention of noise.--
(1) Every motor vehicle shall at all times be equipped with an exhaust system in good working order and in constant operation, including muffler, manifold pipe, and tailpiping to prevent excessive or unusual noise. In no event shall an exhaust system allow noise at a level which exceeds a maximum decibel level to be established by regulation of the Department of Environmental Protection as provided in s. 403.061(13) in cooperation with the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. No person shall use a muffler cutout, bypass or similar device upon a vehicle on a highway.
(2) The engine and power mechanism of every motor vehicle shall be so equipped and adjusted as to prevent the escape of excessive fumes or smoke.
(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.
...nothing, stop making stuff up grant
Roger- fight this. you yourself should know if you have an overly loud exhaust. make some attempt to find a decibil reader, and then take a reading. unless the cop used his device, you dont have anything to worry about. fight this in court and if cop dont show up you are home free! go to court, and if by some act of God, should the cop be there, tell the judge that you plead not guilty and then the judge should assign you a court date and a public defender (if needed). and if you get judge domingez, he is pretty cool judge, i had to see him this last wednesday (but thats another story). STICK IT TO THE MAN!!!
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post note: is there some way that you can scan your ticket for us to see? you should block out all personal information but i think that there is a spot for the cop to put which law you actually broke... just an idea
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Originally posted by China
dood there is nothing in the florida statutes saying anything about "being louder than stock". the statute never addresses anything aobut origional factory parts what so ever... the cop that pulled me over gave me the same bs story. the only restriction on the exhaust is the decibil levels. and unless he has a REALLY crappy / ricerific exhaust, i dont think the cops have anything on roger. and your friend may be an idoit, it is hard to say...
WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OEM EXHAUST?!?!?! WHERE?!?!?!?!?
dood there is nothing in the florida statutes saying anything about "being louder than stock". the statute never addresses anything aobut origional factory parts what so ever... the cop that pulled me over gave me the same bs story. the only restriction on the exhaust is the decibil levels. and unless he has a REALLY crappy / ricerific exhaust, i dont think the cops have anything on roger. and your friend may be an idoit, it is hard to say...
WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OEM EXHAUST?!?!?! WHERE?!?!?!?!?
Maybe if you would have read the very next statute you would have seen this:
316.293 Motor vehicle noise.--
(5) NOISE ABATEMENT EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIONS.--
(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle or any other noise-abatement device of a motor vehicle operated or to be operated upon the highways of this state in such a manner that the noise emitted by the motor vehicle is above that emitted by the vehicle as originally manufactured.
(b) No person shall operate a motor vehicle upon the highways of the state with an exhaust system or noise-abatement device so modified.
Ok, now for the millionth time, this is the law. Is it completely fair? Nope. But as you read it here it is illegal to modify your exhaust to make it louder and a decibel reading is NOT needed. A lot of laws overlap and this is one of them.
There is only one reason these tickets are being written. Assholes who like to rev to 7k while sitting in traffic.
Any other questions?
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Originally posted by race495
Maybe if you would have read the very next statute you would have seen this:
316.293 Motor vehicle noise.--
(5) NOISE ABATEMENT EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIONS.--
(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle or any other noise-abatement device of a motor vehicle operated or to be operated upon the highways of this state in such a manner that the noise emitted by the motor vehicle is above that emitted by the vehicle as originally manufactured.
(b) No person shall operate a motor vehicle upon the highways of the state with an exhaust system or noise-abatement device so modified.
Ok, now for the millionth time, this is the law. Is it completely fair? Nope. But as you read it here it is illegal to modify your exhaust to make it louder and a decibel reading is NOT needed. A lot of laws overlap and this is one of them.
There is only one reason these tickets are being written. Assholes who like to rev to 7k while sitting in traffic.
Any other questions?
Maybe if you would have read the very next statute you would have seen this:
316.293 Motor vehicle noise.--
(5) NOISE ABATEMENT EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIONS.--
(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle or any other noise-abatement device of a motor vehicle operated or to be operated upon the highways of this state in such a manner that the noise emitted by the motor vehicle is above that emitted by the vehicle as originally manufactured.
(b) No person shall operate a motor vehicle upon the highways of the state with an exhaust system or noise-abatement device so modified.
Ok, now for the millionth time, this is the law. Is it completely fair? Nope. But as you read it here it is illegal to modify your exhaust to make it louder and a decibel reading is NOT needed. A lot of laws overlap and this is one of them.
There is only one reason these tickets are being written. Assholes who like to rev to 7k while sitting in traffic.
Any other questions?
(1) DEFINITIONS.--The following words and phrases, when used in this section, shall have the meanings respectively assigned to them in this subsection, except where the context otherwise requires:
(a) "dB A" means the composite abbreviation for the A-weighted sound level and the unit of sound level, the decibel.
i still believe that the db reading is needed to get a conviction.
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(6) EXEMPT VEHICLES.--The following are exempt from the operation of this act:
(a) Emergency vehicles operating as specified in s. 316.072(5)(a).
(b) Any motor vehicle engaged in a professional or amateur sanctioned, competitive sports event for which admission or entry fee is charged, or practice or time trials for such event.
(c) Any motor vehicle engaged in a manufacturer's engineering, design, or equipment test.
(d) Construction or agricultural equipment either on a job site or traveling on the highways.
join the scca, or some other racing agency.
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You can still believe that the tooth fairy will leave a dollar for you also but I have personally seen the statute I posted convicted when someone brought a lawyer.
The laws overlap. But hey, what do I know?
The laws overlap. But hey, what do I know?
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Do you own a Torch Red FRC and tremble every time you drive under I75 on Hwy 60 and look in your rearview mirror? If so you are suffering from what is known as Cobraphobia.
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93 Cobra, R302 331,canfields,T-76,TKO......sold
87 Coupe, 466, Edelbrock heads,Vic jr,150 shot 10.41@129.5...sold
2006 Honda 450ER .....new toy
Do you own a Torch Red FRC and tremble every time you drive under I75 on Hwy 60 and look in your rearview mirror? If so you are suffering from what is known as Cobraphobia.
