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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 302stroker
looks like all u modular guys are tryin to compensate for something . and its not power or torque, thats for sure
lol 630whp 780 wtq here
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Stealth Mode
a windsor built engine will eat 600hp all day bub. to each his own on the MOD vs ROD engine i guess.

lets compare for a second though....
SOHC cam swap= around 600???
DOHC cam swap= around 1000???

a buddy of mine jake has a 97 cobra and it was 1200 bucks for the cams, ladders and all the other shit.

in block cam 302, for a good size cam=300
dont wanna do the labor ur self=150-200.

and the 302 made the same amount of HP/TQ as ur 2/4 cams did.
Oh, Im right there with you man. Mods are expensive as hell. Just saying the factory blocks are built well. Windsor 302 blocks have a tendencey to split around 450-500 hp according to what I have read. I dont race or anything yet as Im only 22 and dont have the funds or the family tradition that does racing so Im kind of on the fence about what I can actually do.

Im just saying the modular engines are really well built from the factory and for the displacement is a hell of an engine. Especially with the right heads with boost put to it. Terminator cobra anyone?
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bvh
4v cams cost 695for a set not 1000.
and thats just the cams? or is that everything to install also?
are you doin the installation ur self? most ppl dont and labor is the main culprit on these projects.
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 06:19 AM
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nope i do most of my work , every one else should to.lol
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Duceanahalf
a 4V 4.6 is wider than a 460.

A 2v is also. LoL

I had my fun with the 4.6's. I'll eventually go back to one. But the 302/351 is so much easier to work on inside the engine bay then the 4.6 was. As soon as her Tiburon is paid off Lady Hurst has her heart set on a 94/95 Cobra. Cody's car would be ideal with the black interior. But we simply can not afford it right now with me taking classes and still out of work.

For what it is,.. the 4.6 is a pretty stout engine. I mean its only 281ci. The bore center is so small its really amazing it makes the power it does. Hell Nascar never touched it and stayed with a Clevor design that dated back to the early 70's. Wasnt until recently that Ford went with a new engine design,.. and sadly,.. I doubt that block will ever see a production vehicle.

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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 01:32 PM
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aren't the rods in a 2v mod good up to about 400 hp?

just sayin.............seen plenty of stock h/c/i or nitroused cheap windsor small blocks make well in excess of that without sneezing.

for those of you who know nelson the old motor he had was a stock shortblock with highports, a cam, aftermarket intake, had probably seen about 200 passes on a 275 shot, I believe 6.20's in the 1/8th in a full interior coupe. then on a 76 mm turbo made 10 dyno pulls on cft's dyno in excess of 650hp and up to 720 hp before the block broke on the dyno.........(luckily the "grudal" mod somewhat held the pieces together)
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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iv seen 600whp on a stock 4.6 motor also , now if u want to talk about 03 cobras iv seen them hold 1000 whp. but rule is 420 whp and its safe on a gt .
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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by racingrick
aren't the rods in a 2v mod good up to about 400 hp?

just sayin.............seen plenty of stock h/c/i or nitroused cheap windsor small blocks make well in excess of that without sneezing.

for those of you who know nelson the old motor he had was a stock shortblock with highports, a cam, aftermarket intake, had probably seen about 200 passes on a 275 shot, I believe 6.20's in the 1/8th in a full interior coupe. then on a 76 mm turbo made 10 dyno pulls on cft's dyno in excess of 650hp and up to 720 hp before the block broke on the dyno.........(luckily the "grudal" mod somewhat held the pieces together)
Rods are the weak link... Piston's aren't great either but yeah... lol
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I've seen 2v cars putting almost 500 to the wheels,.. but they were on serious borrowed time. Typically 425 is considered the turning point. Anything after is considered borrowed time. And its just the rods,.. the cast cranks are 'said' to be good to 700,.. though I dont know of anyone who has ever broken a 4.6 crank,.. at least I havent read about it. I do know of 2 people in Md one making 650 the other making almost 700,.. both on stock cast cranks. The stock blocks are said to be good for 1600 hp. The forged cobra cranks are supposed to be good for 1000+ hp.

If you want to compare the 2v to the 5.0 then yeah,.. the 5.0 will do what,.. 50 - 75 more HP safely then a stock 4.6? Thats not exactly bragging rights. They can both go on the ragged edge and see who breaks first. But with forged internals,.. the 4.6 will far exceed what the 5.0 is capable of.

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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 03:50 PM
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I hate to poke my head in here with all of the ROD guys, but keep your eyes open for the newly designed Trickflow Heads for the 2v cars. 300hp NA with stock PI cams and intake isn't out of the questions for a stock C/I/E 2v....

The 2v's have some problems, they have crappy rods as said before and shoot plugs out of the heads...I am young and only have had a 2v GT but the potential for both the ROD and MOD motors are both there, each just has to go another route.
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