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Got into a debate with a Ford guy today about high compression and boost..

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Old Apr 9, 2005 | 03:45 PM
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you only pull enough to avoid detonation...which isnt all that much really, but this is really beside the point, it can be done and I will be doing it soon myself(as soon as those pistons get here) the engine should hit around 500hp fully tuned and done with, I could get more out of it if I wanted to lower the compression, but seriously...why would I need more than 500? 500 is pretty good for a v6, this is mainly going to be a quick street car(not a daily driver though, the SHO motor is just too high maitenence for that, my neon will still do that duty) heh, I'll just agree to disagree with the majority of people for now
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Old Apr 9, 2005 | 04:20 PM
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Wow this got good fast.. I posted the same thing on ls1tech.com and check out there comments..

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301843
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Old Apr 9, 2005 | 07:30 PM
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they came up with the pretty much the same conclusion,
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 05:37 AM
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yep, he should lower the compression, but he could do it with high compression and lots of headaches, and like I said earlier...11:1 is too much for even me to mess with, get some slightly thinker headgaskets to lower the compression to about 10:1 then go for it
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 07:19 AM
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I have to look at my build sheet, but I doubt I could run enough gasket to get me down to 10:1.1. My heads are currently 64cc. Most of my compression comes from thinner gaskets and flat top pistons with 2cc valve reliefs. From what I was told it is best to swap out pistons instead of going with a thicker gasket on boost.
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Old Apr 10, 2005 | 04:43 PM
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IMO, thicker or thinner headgaskets arent a viable way to move static compression up or down by substantial amounts, and it very likely will have unwanted effects with quench and burn characteristics in the chambers making detonation more likely. Piston to deck clearance, cylinder head chamber layout, piston crown design, etc, play a part in choosing H/G thickness but static compression shouldnt be the overriding concern... if it is someone seriously f'ed up in the planning and buildup of that motor. In any case, tuneup shouldnt be the issue here either, of course the tuneup has to be right on... any FI vehicle producing extremely high power levels has to have a near perfect tuneup or the owner will be shown how to make tens of thousands of dollars worth of quality engine parts fit in a five gallon bucket. Stand alone engine management is only as good as the understanding the person responsible for tuning has of what is required... the complete access these systems provide is often a grenade with the pin pulled in the hands of self tune owners or do it all performance shops. There are few that have the understanding, equipment and the ability to do it right. Compression seems to be the focus of this thread but I'd be equally concerned with the packaging and plumbing whenever a turbo is involved.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:39 AM
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Whats the difference if you run 100 shot on pump gas or 8lbs of boost on pump gas???

I dont see the difference...........start with a great N/A setup like you have and you will have a great blower combo.Hell 6lbs of boost on your motor would be sweet and I dont see too much issue.1 or 2 gals of 100 per tank for safty would more then likely be needed.........As long as your under 600rwhp and have cool air temps after the blower what is the difference how it get the extra oxygen to make the power.The only diff I see is it will take 50rwhp to turn the blower so youll make 50rwhp less then what you make on the pump gas on the spray.

But knowin you youll want 800 rwhp so you mine as well get the right piston to get you at 9 to 1.................hehehehe
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