The Horten brothers did some bad ass stuff, (did a paper on that plane), but somewhere in Germany right now 2 assholes are arguing about ze Vight brozers.

I'll take an Openhiemer, Seaborg or Lawrence, though, I think Bohr put it best: "They didn't need my help in making the atom bomb."

But I thought we were talking about engineers?

 

you mentioned splitting the atom

 

I'll add to what has been said about European engineering.

Audi's Le Mans R10, possibly the most advanced car on the planet in terms of suspension, emissions, fuel efficiency, etc. Its suspension is controlled by actuators, the car can literally learn a track, and readjust its suspension settings on the go before it gets to the next corner. The fuel tank will lean to the inside of the corner to offset weight transfer to the outer wheels. The engineers in the pits can adjust anything on the car at all, brake bias, steering assist, traction control, fuel levels, boost levels, in real time, from the pits. It's engine matched in engineering terms only by its Formula One counter parts, all of which are designed and built in Europe, with the exception of the Force India team.

That's why I want to go to Europe.

What car technology do we have here? IRL is decent, but its really just dumbed down F1 with crappy drivers and less technology. And Nascar, Nascar at one point was the pinnacle of Technology. It was America's Formula One. But today they're still using fucking carburetors. Thats 60s dinosaur technology compared to anything else. Formula 1 cars have bypassed mechanical returns for the valves (valve springs) because they can't keep up with 20,000 rpms. F1 engines have infinite valve timing adjustability. Nascar engines have pushrods. Nascar suspensions are about as advanced as the one on my Honda, dual wishbone front, fully independant rear. On some tracks they don't even use fucking springs. There is no innovation in motorsports in America. The most advanced thing we've come up with are the roof spoilers in Nascar that prevent the car from creating lift as it slides backwards.

 

What are you going to do in Europe?

The force india team is the old spyker team, which was the old midland team, which is Eddie Jordan's old team. And they're from the UK.

Variable valve timing isn't allowed in F1. Neither is variable length intake runners. Or traction control. Can't have beryllium or other metal matrix composites in the engine. How come? Because of rules.

Rules are the same reason NASCAR still has all of that antiquated technology. You can run a whole NASCAR program for 30 million for one year. And you'll still pass more cars in one race than in F1 does in a whole season. You can't run a wind tunnel in F1 for that and be competetive. Better bring $350million to the plate if you want a competive team, and even they you can waste 1 billion every 3 years (Toyota). F1 exists becuse the Eurpeaon governments prop up races and teams. Bernie hightailed it from the Indy race because Indy wouldn't pony up 30 million just to host the race, up 100% from the year before.

 

Back on topic crackas'

 

I DID go back to college, when I was 48, try reading the whole post next time.
Lemans aprroximately 1964
A bunch of hick cowboys put together a couple of hybrid cars called Cobras and whip the best that Europe has to offer.
1965 Ford takes over the program using European technology and engineering, the car's a flop, Ford USA and Shelby take over the program and wreak havoc on the Europeans until the FIA changes the rules by 1969.
1999- present Audi wreaks havoc on all competitors at Lemans and othe long distance events using European technology but they're not racing anybody, there's waht maybe 6 cars in P-1 at Sebring this year? Maybe 8 at Lemans and they were either Audis or Citroens, big deal.
BTW, I just watched the history channel and one of the guys on there made a great statement, "We didn't get to the moon on PHDs. we used guys with maybe 2 year degrees and common sense".
NO I wouldn't vote for Obomber, there, I'm on topic.

 

i hope obama wins....... i want to add another first in my life time. presidential assassination.

 

Well if Hillary was vice prez, I'd stop the bullet with my own body to keep that wench out of the white house.

Which I might add, I'm sure you were just joking.

 

I don't really want to get involved in a debate. I'm a busy guy, but I just can't hold back.

If you love other countries so much over your own, go to them.

Speak of them the way you speak of America, and see how much freedom you really have here.

I was in Honduras a few times myself. Mid 80's near Tegucigalpa in the jungle. Not much freedom to be seen.

About a year and a half ago. still a shithole. Roatan is a nice little tourist trap, i'll admit. I went sailing, it was beautiful. However, the little piece of shit mud and cardboard huts most of the "natives" live in off the beaten track puts shame in your heart for having it so good in America. Plus, we apparently have something called "FOOD" to eat here!

Personally don't know who I'd vote for to be honest, my first choice was , "NOT ANYONE NAMED HILARY".

That is all.

 

OK everything in europe is better than the US, I was wondering about all of this when I received this e-mail, which explains everything.....

For those that don't know about history...... here is a condensed version.
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
The two most important events in all of history were:
1. The invention of beer and Scotch, and
2. The invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer and Scotch
These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
1. Liberals
2. Conservatives
Once beer and Scotch were discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the breweries. That's how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to barbeque at night while they were drinking beer and Scotch. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly barbeques and doing the sewing, fetching, and hairdressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat, beer and Scotch that conservatives provided without having to work themselves.
Over the years Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added) and blended Scotch (conservatives like single malt), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat. Conservatives drink domestic beer and single malt. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living and to pay the taxes to support the Liberals who do not work. Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing. Most remained in the Northeast or hid in California.Here ends today's lesson in world history.......
It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.
A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to piss them off.