Bike Tech If it's a two wheeled vehicle and you wanna talk about it, here's your spot

Scientific question about gas consumption.

Thread Tools
 
Old Feb 16, 2006 | 05:02 PM
  #31 (permalink)  
F*r*a*n*k*e*i's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 17,444
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by TurboKaw
careful on the garden hose example, when you squeeze it the hole size (diameter) changes it is now smaller, which increases the pressure with same amount of flow, you are not passing more water thru it
I wasn't talking about squeezing the hose, I was talking about turning the valve halfway I'm sneaky sneaky.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2006 | 05:06 PM
  #32 (permalink)  
F*r*a*n*k*e*i's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 17,444
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by LogicalRetard
Oh yeah, I thought that the higher the octane number, the smoother the burn. Smooth means less violent, and therefore a less violent burn will result in more knock-resistance.
You're right, but smoother burn also equals less power. It's really all meaningless amounts, but if you can get away drag racing on 87 octane, why not? Especially if you know you're technically making more power while doing it. Extra buzz for you.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:06 PM
  #33 (permalink)  
LogicalRetard's Avatar
Cafe Racer Extraordinaire
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 794
Likes: 0
Default

That's a given. More violent a combustion without knock will of course net more go power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the actual enthalpy (internal energy produced plus actual pressure x volume) of 87, 89, and 93 are pretty much the same, meaning the energy created by each of them doesn't vary much from one to the next. But the amount composition of the hydrocarbons used in gas, like Frank said, varies which changes the smoothness of the burn. Heptane has an octane rating of 0 and is real explosive burning, where as isooctane has an octane rating of 100 and is smooth burning, I guess all because of the molecule constuction/layout. That's what gas octane stems from, so 100+ octane gas is actualy off the charts.

It's funny...I've gone back and read all the previous posts in this thread and it went from laymans terms for joe blow, to me screwing it all to hell. Sorry.

And oh yeah, carbs suck balls.
__________________
R.I.P. - Jason Harrill - 6/12/06

"Well, here's the thing".....you will be missed.

Last edited by LogicalRetard; Feb 16, 2006 at 06:32 PM.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:35 PM
  #34 (permalink)  
TurboKaw's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 752
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Frankie
I wasn't talking about squeezing the hose, I was talking about turning the valve halfway I'm sneaky sneaky.
so you are telling me that to get more water out of a water spicket(sp) I should only open it half way? so then if I only turn it a quarter of the way then I would get even more coming out, wow if I just barely crack it open imagine the flow!! not quite buying the logic.
__________________
-TK

If you can Turn you are not going Fast Enough!

Originally Posted by Raybo
I'm not a loser, I'm just incarcerated.
Originally Posted by Treysdad
Tell me about it. Sometimes i get this abrasion just under the head, liek a friction rash. All day it will feel like there is a Mexican midget in my boxers licking it with a cats tongue.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2006 | 09:01 PM
  #35 (permalink)  
Dragin's Avatar
Got Mud?
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 867
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by LogicalRetard
I'm lazy and didn't read any previous posts, but anywho.... I've always wondered the same thing as you are asking. I have a little module in my racecar that shows the injector pulse lengths in realtime and when you are at high rpm but just holding partial throttle, the injector pulse length is short as all hell, but at low rpms, to get it to maitain a steady speed you have to give it a lot more throttle and therefore the injector pulse length are way longer.

Thank you!
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2006 | 09:50 PM
  #36 (permalink)  
???'s Avatar
???
Capt."Howling Mad"Murdock
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 16,339
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by LogicalRetard
That's a given. More violent a combustion without knock will of course net more go power. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the actual enthalpy (internal energy produced plus actual pressure x volume) of 87, 89, and 93 are pretty much the same, meaning the energy created by each of them doesn't vary much from one to the next. But the amount composition of the hydrocarbons used in gas, like Frank said, varies which changes the smoothness of the burn. Heptane has an octane rating of 0 and is real explosive burning, where as isooctane has an octane rating of 100 and is smooth burning, I guess all because of the molecule constuction/layout. That's what gas octane stems from, so 100+ octane gas is actualy off the charts.

It's funny...I've gone back and read all the previous posts in this thread and it went from laymans terms for joe blow, to me screwing it all to hell. Sorry.

And oh yeah, carbs suck balls.


yeah the true BTU rating of 87,89 and 93 are the same. if i remember right. its just the resistance to knock that changes.

oh and carbs don't suck balls... really the wet flow intake runs cooler and makes more power at one rpm than can be made with a dry flow port FI system... its just the A/F over a given usable rpm band thats hard to get right with carbs...

pro stock cars are tuned to the point of being faster with a carb at a given track on a given day that the carb was tuned for.
__________________
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2006 | 10:29 PM
  #37 (permalink)  
LogicalRetard's Avatar
Cafe Racer Extraordinaire
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 794
Likes: 0
Default

Just kidding, just kidding. Carbs aren't all that bad. Although, if you were to run a carb for intake cooling properties, you could always go TBI. And welcome to the '80's, hahaha.

Alright, alright.....back to studying I go!
__________________
R.I.P. - Jason Harrill - 6/12/06

"Well, here's the thing".....you will be missed.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2006 | 06:46 AM
  #38 (permalink)  
F*r*a*n*k*e*i's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 17,444
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by TurboKaw
so you are telling me that to get more water out of a water spicket(sp) I should only open it half way? so then if I only turn it a quarter of the way then I would get even more coming out, wow if I just barely crack it open imagine the flow!! not quite buying the logic.
Learn to read. That's the exact opposite of what I wrote. I was saying that the hose remains the same diameter at half spicket and full spicket, but at full spicket, more water is forced through due to pressure with no change in hose diameter.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2006 | 06:48 AM
  #39 (permalink)  
F*r*a*n*k*e*i's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 17,444
Likes: 0
Default

F you, carbs are awesome! Remember that next time you have to replace a high dollar injector, get weird problems due to a sensor going bad, or have to replace a computer all together. Aside from my wife's car, nothing I own is fuel injected, and I love it.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2006 | 08:51 AM
  #40 (permalink)  
LogicalRetard's Avatar
Cafe Racer Extraordinaire
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 794
Likes: 0
Default

True, but then you realize that some EFI'd commuter cars are so efficient that they can run safely at AFR's sometimes as extreme as 20:1, and you think to yourself, "Damn.....where did my carb put all that extra gas???"

I'm just pickin' Frank, carbs are cool.....on old British cars.
__________________
R.I.P. - Jason Harrill - 6/12/06

"Well, here's the thing".....you will be missed.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:08 PM.