see the new thread I started on this...

Toby

 

Not naysayers, just an observant person.

Why not make the optimum enclosure for each subwoofer? The 13W7 is a much better sealed woofer box than the more SPL-geared woofer that your competition is using, that's what i'm trying to get at.

Why is making a ported box for each woofer no longer a "constant"? You don't need to make some crazy off the wall box for a 10" to make it outperform a more expensive woofer, this has been proven very often.

I know you are trying to make things look "fair", but you keep adding more and more addendums to this competition to make things "fair", and frankly it makes me think (and probably others witnessing this) that you are a little more nervous about this whole competition since it has gathered so much attention.

 

I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend. Sub vs Sub. A sealed enclosure would be the most accurate way to prove the point. Like the man said , if you're using frakenbox the sub vs sub argument is null. I highly doubt this was meant to be the END ALL dicussion of JL vs all. I also have yet to see the other party say he's putting up $1000 that the 10 will win. After all if the confidence is there, why not? Both parties should have something to gain/lose

 

Why do you say a sealed box is the most accurate way?

If one sub is geared more for a sealed box than another sub, isn't that giving an advantage to that sub?

Why can't both subs use a similar ported box?

It doesn't take a "frankenbox" to make a sub perform to its full capabilities. Most of the time a simple (and properly designed) ported box can produce exceptional performance.

 

why dont yall just stop talking and do it already

 

Even though i dont like TBSpyder im afraid he is going to win this bet

 

because that brings in skill of box design and fabrication.

a sealed box really doesn't have much to design.

 

You can't build a similar ported box for two different brand/model subs, especially considering their size difference. Ofcourse, even a sealed enclosure isn't going to be a 100% constant in both applications...but it atleast narrows down the variables, such as port design, tuning frequencies, etc. The guy that bet me made it like there's quite a few 10's out there that would "stomp" a 13w7...so I'm sure one of them has to perform halfway decent in a sealed enclosure. I'm not "adding addendums" in any way, I'm trying to make the competition as simple as possible...sub vs. sub, it's not that difficult to understand.

 

I still think you are giving yourself the advantage because with a sealed application you are relying basically 100% on cone area and excursion capabilities, something the 13W7 will have more of than pretty much any 10" sub out there.

If you really wanted to make this a heads up match, you would pit the subs against each other in their optimum enclosures so that each sub is being used to it's full potential. This can include a ported box for either sub.

Hell, for a $1000 bet, i would make d*mn sure that the sub was in the best possible box it could be in. I sure wouldn't use some half-assed prefab sealed box.

Somehow, I doubt this bet is never going to take place. Why not make it a $50 bet so we will have at least a chance of seeing some results. People get overzealous when it comes to talking about something they think they know more about than someone else, and are insulted when someone with more experience and knowledge steps in and gives their opinion on the matter.

 

you just declared the winner of this bet - John as his only claim was that no 10" sub would outperform a 13w7 in an identical environment.

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