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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NoTLaDStyle
you just declared the winner of this bet - John as his only claim was that no 10" sub would outperform a 13w7 in an identical environment.

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i just about posted what you just said, thats all john was saying... You guys are making it 10x more complicated than what he said.
Old Jan 24, 2007 | 06:49 PM
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I would never consider a sealed box the "optimum" enclosure for any w7 when talking of a competition based soley on db numbers. I'm quite positive I could pick up atleast 5 dbs. using a ported enclosure of my choice. So we're both at a disadvantage, but atleast the playing field is even. Like I said, this is not a bet empahasizing who can build the better box. I also do not expect either of us to use a prefab sealed box, that would be ridiculous.


My offer still stands, put up or shut up.
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Old Jan 24, 2007 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TBSpyder


My offer still stands, put up or shut up.

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Old Jan 25, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by NoTLaDStyle
you just declared the winner of this bet - John as his only claim was that no 10" sub would outperform a 13w7 in an identical environment.

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i did NOT say that he was going to be the winner, i was simply stating that he's trying to give himself the advantage by having only sealed enclosures allowed.

You can have an identical environment with ported boxes.
Old Jan 25, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TBSpyder
I would never consider a sealed box the "optimum" enclosure for any w7 when talking of a competition based soley on db numbers. I'm quite positive I could pick up atleast 5 dbs. using a ported enclosure of my choice. So we're both at a disadvantage, but atleast the playing field is even. Like I said, this is not a bet empahasizing who can build the better box. I also do not expect either of us to use a prefab sealed box, that would be ridiculous.


My offer still stands, put up or shut up.
If you are so confident in a 5 dB increase then why WOULDN'T you want ported enclosures? That would increase your margin of victory considerably.

By the way, who is to say that you get to determine what can and cannot be used?
Old Jan 25, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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I've already stated why these guidelines should apply, so unless someone comes up with a new question I'm done arguing. It's really not that hard to understand. If the bet was emphasizing builder skill, the subs would have to be identical. This isn't mobile audio build-off 2007.

If the sub he was using was meant soley for a ported box it'd be one thing. But most every sub out there will work in a ported OR sealed enclosure. Any sub will almost always be louder in the correct ported enclosure as well. So find a 10" sub that performs better in a selaed enclosure. Come up with a new excuse.

I determined the guidelines because I made the bet. I feel the freedom to use any amp, any wiring/electrical supply, and control over your own sealed enclosure is enough.
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Old Jan 25, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tommyk90
If you are so confident in a 5 dB increase then why WOULDN'T you want ported enclosures? That would increase your margin of victory considerably.

By the way, who is to say that you get to determine what can and cannot be used?
why are so so hard-headed?

its almost like your reading his replies, picking and choosing what you want to read and then ignoring what he's actually trying to say!
Old Jan 25, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TBSpyder
I've already stated why these guidelines should apply, so unless someone comes up with a new question I'm done arguing. It's really not that hard to understand. If the bet was emphasizing builder skill, the subs would have to be identical. This isn't mobile audio build-off 2007.

If the sub he was using was meant soley for a ported box it'd be one thing. But most every sub out there will work in a ported OR sealed enclosure. Any sub will almost always be louder in the correct ported enclosure as well. So find a 10" sub that performs better in a selaed enclosure. Come up with a new excuse.

I determined the guidelines because I made the bet. I feel the freedom to use any amp, any wiring/electrical supply, and control over your own sealed enclosure is enough.

Talk to Scott or Shawn personally, the sub isn't for sealed boxes at all, and they don't reccomend it.
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Old Jan 25, 2007 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TBSpyder
I've already stated why these guidelines should apply, so unless someone comes up with a new question I'm done arguing. It's really not that hard to understand. If the bet was emphasizing builder skill, the subs would have to be identical. This isn't mobile audio build-off 2007.

If the sub he was using was meant soley for a ported box it'd be one thing. But most every sub out there will work in a ported OR sealed enclosure. Any sub will almost always be louder in the correct ported enclosure as well. So find a 10" sub that performs better in a selaed enclosure. Come up with a new excuse.

I determined the guidelines because I made the bet. I feel the freedom to use any amp, any wiring/electrical supply, and control over your own sealed enclosure is enough.
As already posted, the potential sub your opponent was going to use is not designed for sealed boxes AT ALL. It is not even recommended by the manufacturer for sealed boxes.
Old Jan 25, 2007 | 12:48 PM
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